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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's just a way to demonize people they disagree with to gain unearned credibility with the uninformed public.
    That, and the midnset that if you do not agree with them, its because there's something wrong with you.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Everything Obama has said and done over the last year is straight out of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" handbook. Seriously. Read it. You will be shocked at how identical it is to Obama's words and actions. This guy is a programmed Manchurian candidate for extreme Marxist ideologues-hence his countless horrifyingly extreme statements (routinely buried by the news media) and his repeated, extensive relationships with so many left-wing fanatics, terrorists, and bigots.

    Unless Democrats follow through on their attack on the Constitution and silence their opponents with draconian abuses of power like the "Fairness" Doctrine and Card Check, this moment of power (manufactured by invented scandals and Democrat-created crises) will be nothing more than a road bump in the demise of their fringe, dying party.

    Gun rights, speech rights, voting rights...all will remain under attack by this administration until we have an involuntarily one-party system.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Sure thing, I was thinking overall military issues, but even the AK's can be fitted with restrictor pins for civilian usage, and then there are the G3s from Heckler and Koch, sweet rifle, but semi-auto, etc.

    There are a buttload of AK-47's in the U.S> both automatic and not.

    You don't need to set a "Restrictor pin" there are AK's with semi-auto parts kits in them standard as well.

    The gun itself was meant to be a machine gun however.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    There are a buttload of AK-47's in the U.S> both automatic and not.

    You don't need to set a "Restrictor pin" there are AK's with semi-auto parts kits in them standard as well.

    The gun itself was meant to be a machine gun however.
    All true, but if you buy a full auto it must be equipped with a restrictor unless it qualifies, at least that's my understanding. I still would rather get rid of the excessive regulations regarding full autos and make ownership efficient, I am willing to concede to the safety crowd that they should be in a different ownership category, however they must be accessible to responsible gun owners in order to honor the second amendment.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    All true, but if you buy a full auto it must be equipped with a restrictor unless it qualifies, at least that's my understanding. I still would rather get rid of the excessive regulations regarding full autos and make ownership efficient, I am willing to concede to the safety crowd that they should be in a different ownership category, however they must be accessible to responsible gun owners in order to honor the second amendment.
    You can't own a full auto capable A.K. without having a Class III FFL and live in the appropriate states. Oregon or Texas for example. It doesnt matter if you have placed an artifical restriction on its firing selector or even the internals. It has to be a semi-auto parts kit installed in the receiver for it to classify as the sport rifle that is sold across america.

    I would rather not own one period, unless it WAS fully automatic. Compared to the AR series, they are junk. Some people find them fun, I would rather have a longer range rifle though.

    I agree on the ownership category. I don't really see it as a huge issue for someone to have to go through the proper channels in order to ensure they are capable of using and owning a fully automatic firearm. But to restrict them to the public is silly.

    Right now you cannot even buy/sell a machine gun (Which includes fully automatic rifles, heavy machine guns, sub-gun weaponry, automatic pistols, and any other firearm that is capable of an accelerated rate of fire while holding the trigger instead of having to pull the trigger for each shot to occur) legally, unless they were made before 1986.

    That to me makes no sense.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    You can't own a full auto capable A.K. without having a Class III FFL and live in the appropriate states. Oregon or Texas for example. It doesnt matter if you have placed an artifical restriction on its firing selector or even the internals. It has to be a semi-auto parts kit installed in the receiver for it to classify as the sport rifle that is sold across america.
    I'm looking into that now, but that is what I have found so far, I want to get into auto fire sporting events eventually, so would love to get the class three, right now though it is prohibitively expensive.

    I would rather not own one period, unless it WAS fully automatic. Compared to the AR series, they are junk. Some people find them fun, I would rather have a longer range rifle though.
    No argument from me, the ARs are far better in semi-form, long ranges are great, and honestly all quality arms are fun in my opinion.

    I agree on the ownership category. I don't really see it as a huge issue for someone to have to go through the proper channels in order to ensure they are capable of using and owning a fully automatic firearm. But to restrict them to the public is silly.
    It's absolutely silly, which is what most people can't see.

    Right now you cannot even buy/sell a machine gun (Which includes fully automatic rifles, heavy machine guns, sub-gun weaponry, automatic pistols, and any other firearm that is capable of an accelerated rate of fire while holding the trigger instead of having to pull the trigger for each shot to occur) legally, unless they were made before 1986.

    That to me makes no sense.
    It needs to be done in a way that prohibits no one from exercising the from legitimate ownership, if legitimacy takes one or two simple steps, it is the best compromise IMO.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    [QUOTE=LaMidRighter;1057895886]
    I'm looking into that now, but that is what I have found so far, I want to get into auto fire sporting events eventually, so would love to get the class three, right now though it is prohibitively expensive.
    I believe it is only around $100.00 a year for the Class III FFL/Tax Stamp. You just have to wait for the ATF to get the paper work done, and you've got to have a Law Enforcement Chief or similar official sign off on the request.

    In Oregon they let you shoot the autos at the Police range, and encourage you to do so a few times so they can make sure you are completely comfortable with the weapons.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah, the lengths you will go to avoid having to admit that you do not know enough about a topic to discuss it and that you dont have the desire to rid yourself of your ignorance.

    My position is abundantly clear to anyone that can read -- but you are too ignorant of the subject to discuss it intelligently.

    Oh well.
    boring....
    got anything new or are you just going to continue with the same old rehash from this morning?
    "A Man you can bait with a tweet can't be trusted with nuclear weapons"

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post

    I believe it is only around $100.00 a year for the Class III FFL/Tax Stamp. You just have to wait for the ATF to get the paper work done, and you've got to have a Law Enforcement Chief or similar official sign off on the request.
    Really? I had heard estimates of around 5k, maybe some kind of first time fee? 100/yr isn't that bad. One thing I found is that you have to go in as a dealer or collector, but collector is obvious. Thanks for the info.

    In Oregon they let you shoot the autos at the Police range, and encourage you to do so a few times so they can make sure you are completely comfortable with the weapons.
    That's definitely a good thing for law enforcement to adress, will have to see where my state is on that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    boring....
    got anything new or are you just going to continue with the same old rehash from this morning?
    You aren't willing or able to engage in the discussion as it has been presented to you?
    So noted.

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