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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Thanks! People often times forget that is why laws exist in the first place.
    People tend to put members of our government over the members of society that allow them to hold their positions.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    The issue is not and never will be WHAT can be banned.

    It is not possible at ALL to just ban guns in this country. You can write it, you can say it, you can preach it all you want. But the fact of the matter is, people will still have them and will still be able to attain them.

    The only arguement that can be made is WHY. You can not reason with anyone without providing them with reason-able evidence that it is in their best interests.

    Consider this. In the time that the constitution was formed, an assault rifle was a standard rifle that everyone was able to own. The military used the same weapons as hunters, hunters used the same weapons as concerned civilians, and concerned civilians used the same weapons as criminals.

    What on earth would make you think that the founding fathers would restrict certain weapons to the public?

    What on earth would make you think that we should be allowed less than our own government in which (if the case should arise) we are instructed to rise against?

    I understand being skeptical of "need" for many weapons that are available. But I see absolutely no reason that we can not all have our own way by dictating what is and is not allowed in our own homes, or own businesses (assuming you are the owner)

    Banning guns does not help solve gun violence.

    Once again, WHY? is the only reasonable arguement.

    You are asking to engage in a philosophical debate which would take forever and would really be a different topic. The Supreme Court never engages in that type of philosophical discussion and what we are talking about here is whether any ban of any weapon by the Supreme Court would meet constitutional muster.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Instead of arguing what CAN be banned, why not argue WHY it SHOULD be banned?
    That is the exact point the anti-gun lobby fails on and I will use your next point to prove it.

    If this is something that you feel that you can deliver on, I will be glad to address every point you would like to make. I would be glad to provide you with every bit of statistical and factual evidence against any weapons that SHOULD (in terms not of my own) should be banned.
    My least favorite debate tactic is when people bring nuclear weapons and incendiary devices to the argument. Nuclear weapons serve no individual uses in that they cannot be controlled, they will destroy those looking to harm you, but will also cause collateral damage around them and harm those that are innocent, under no circumstances do these weapons serve legitimate second amendment uses and present a clear and present danger, therefore it is necessary to ban them, and public safety is provable, therefore it is a proper check to the right. Explosive devices can become unstable and not only injure those that are in posession, but also can harm those within the vicinity, however explosive devices should be allowed by license, issuance should be determined through a psych evaluation and competancy testing. I don't even have a problem with a federal licensing to own fully automatics and other illicitly banned firearms, however the current licensing system is prohibitively expensive and requires a need past that which follows the intent of the second, a license should be easily acquired for those arms, need not necessary, reasonably priced, and psych/competancy tests to prove the applicant is stable.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
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    So now, it is official White House policy to reinstate the AW Ban.

    Seems to me we were told there was no rational reason to express concern for our right to keep and bear arms under the Obama Administration...
    For hunting and personal protection - yes.
    For warfare and committing mass murder - no.
    And WHY is England's murder rate so much lower than ours ?

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thank you for admiting that you indeed can not provide an example of someone here that argues that 'you cannot pry any weapon out of their cold dead hands' or something similar.
    If you are NOT making that argument....then enlighten all of us on what weapons you believe CAN be legitimately banned....if you don't, we have to assume that you believe banning any weapon would be unconstitutional.

    Easier yet....are you admitting that banning some weapons is ok under the constitution?
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    People tend to put members of our government over the members of society that allow them to hold their positions.
    I can see why they do it though. The propaganda the comes from government is hard to deflect especially when generations have already been indoctrinated. I'm not using it in the extreme sense but the propaganda does exist.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are asking to engage in a philosophical debate which would take forever and would really be a different topic. The Supreme Court never engages in that type of philosophical discussion and what we are talking about here is whether any ban of any weapon by the Supreme Court would meet constitutional muster.
    I am merely asking for the reasoning behind a want for any ban.

    I am well aware that even the supreme court can rule in favor of unconstitutional measures. What are we to do if they break the rules?

    Unfortunately the constitution is written in an almost foreign language and is able to be swayed based on (True/False) interpretation.

    I personally believe that a ban on any projectile device I.E. Gun, would be unconstitutional. Reasoning provided above.

    However, you cannot argue facts to facts when it comes to the constitution unfortunately.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you are NOT making that argument....
    The arguments I've made are all perfectly clear.
    When you muster the testicular fortitude to honestly address them, let me know.

    Then enlighten all of us on what weapons you believe CAN be legitimately banned.
    Any weapon that does not fall under the definition of "arms" as the term is used in the 2nd amendment.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    For hunting and personal protection - yes.
    For warfare and committing mass murder - no.
    What weapons that are for "warfare and committing mass murder" are not also suitable for use in "hunting and personal protection"?

    And, given the reason we have a 2nd amendment - why is that standard relevant?

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I am merely asking for the reasoning behind a want for any ban.

    I am well aware that even the supreme court can rule in favor of unconstitutional measures. What are we to do if they break the rules?

    Unfortunately the constitution is written in an almost foreign language and is able to be swayed based on (True/False) interpretation.

    I personally believe that a ban on any projectile device I.E. Gun, would be unconstitutional. Reasoning provided above.

    However, you cannot argue facts to facts when it comes to the constitution unfortunately.
    The generic reasoning behind a want for any ban is that there are some weapons for which there is no legitimate interest and that the government has justification for banning because it puts our society at risk.
    If you take the anti-gun/ban position --- ANY gun puts our society at risk.
    If you take the pro-gun/anti-ban position ---NO weapon should be restricted.

    The bigger question is what falls within the gray areas.
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