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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Let's just make all guns (excluding certain guns ex. grenade launcher, bazooka) completely legal and all, make them easy to get, but with a lot of oversight.

    Most of the people who go on shooting sprees don't apply for a gun permit anyway. They 'borrow' a gun from someone, because it takes to long to go and apply for a gun.

    But if you make it easier for the psychopaths to get a gun, you can check their records and all when they are trying to get a gun, and maybe catch a shooting spree before it happens.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I can't stand that attitude, I will debate with people on the other side of my politics any day, but I like to keep it honest and civil, I hate when the superiorist assumptions and attitudes come out.
    Yes.

    Someone saying "you obviously don't understand" when it is so very obvious that you do is nothng more than said someone try to cover up an unsound position.

    That was so very well illustrated here when DD was caught making his 'potential threat' argument -- rather than to admit he was wrong, he ran away from it and then tried to change the subject.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I will take your broad arguement that they should not be limited to LEO and military only.

    Instead of arguing what CAN be banned, why not argue WHY it SHOULD be banned?
    If this is something that you feel that you can deliver on, I will be glad to address every point you would like to make. I would be glad to provide you with every bit of statistical and factual evidence against any weapons that SHOULD (in terms not of my own) should be banned.

    I will take anyone to true debate on this issue as well.
    Because you cannot talk about one without the other. When undergoing Constitutional analysis you have to address both. If you are going to ban something you have to address why such a ban is appropriate and also why such a ban is not appropriate. If there are compelling, important or legitimate reasons for people to possess such weapons and are there compelling, important or legitimate reasons for the government to restrict them.
    Obviously gun owners have a much stronger argument with rifles and handguns than they do with grenade launchers. The difficult lies when you get to the weapons that fall within the gray areas.

    Again....the extremists here will argue till their blue in the head that you cannot pry any weapon out of their cold dead hands. Unfortunately for them, there is little or no truth to that position. The true issue will be exactly WHAT can be banned and what cannot....and that remains to be seen.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes.

    Someone saying "you obviously don't understand" when it is so very obvious that you do is nothng more than said someone try to cover up an unsound position.

    That was so very well illustrated here when DD was caught making his 'potential threat' argument -- rather than to admit he was wrong, he ran away from it and then tried to change the subject.
    You're funny in your feigned arrogance here. I haven't tried to change any argument. I'm still waiting for you to justify your position....which you started to try to do, before you started engaging in your song and dance again.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again....the extremists here will argue till their blue in the head that you cannot pry any weapon out of their cold dead hands
    Here we have yet -another- position that DD cannot defend.

    Who, specifically, has made that argument?

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Here we have yet -another- position that DD cannot defend.

    Who, specifically, has made that argument?
    Seems to me that this is the argument you are trying to make. Am I wrong?
    If so....which weapons do you believe can be banned legitimately?
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Amazing.

    Truely amazing.
    Thanks! People often times forget that is why laws exist in the first place.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You're funny in your feigned arrogance here. I haven't tried to change any argument...
    You ran away, wiping your tears and snotty nose, from your incendiary speech argument. You continue to do so.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-22-09 at 01:47 PM.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because you cannot talk about one without the other. When undergoing Constitutional analysis you have to address both. If you are going to ban something you have to address why such a ban is appropriate and also why such a ban is not appropriate. If there are compelling, important or legitimate reasons for people to possess such weapons and are there compelling, important or legitimate reasons for the government to restrict them.
    Obviously gun owners have a much stronger argument with rifles and handguns than they do with grenade launchers. The difficult lies when you get to the weapons that fall within the gray areas.

    Again....the extremists here will argue till their blue in the head that you cannot pry any weapon out of their cold dead hands. Unfortunately for them, there is little or no truth to that position. The true issue will be exactly WHAT can be banned and what cannot....and that remains to be seen.
    The issue is not and never will be WHAT can be banned.

    It is not possible at ALL to just ban guns in this country. You can write it, you can say it, you can preach it all you want. But the fact of the matter is, people will still have them and will still be able to attain them.

    The only arguement that can be made is WHY. You can not reason with anyone without providing them with reason-able evidence that it is in their best interests.

    Consider this. In the time that the constitution was formed, an assault rifle was a standard rifle that everyone was able to own. The military used the same weapons as hunters, hunters used the same weapons as concerned civilians, and concerned civilians used the same weapons as criminals.

    What on earth would make you think that the founding fathers would restrict certain weapons to the public?

    What on earth would make you think that we should be allowed less than our own government in which (if the case should arise) we are instructed to rise against?

    I understand being skeptical of "need" for many weapons that are available. But I see absolutely no reason that we can not all have our own way by dictating what is and is not allowed in our own homes, or own businesses (assuming you are the owner)

    Banning guns does not help solve gun violence.

    Once again, WHY? is the only reasonable arguement.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Seems to me that this is the argument you are trying to make. Am I wrong?
    If so....which weapons do you believe can be banned legitimately?
    Thank you for admiting that you indeed can not provide an example of someone here that argues that 'you cannot pry any weapon out of their cold dead hands' or something similar.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-22-09 at 01:48 PM.

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