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    Could we have stopped 9/11?

    After recently watching Keith Olbermann's "8 Years of Bush in 8 minutes", he made sure to mention how a month before 9/11 (8/6, to be exact) he received a warning memo that bin laden was going to attack the U.S.

    I know we're going to commonly refer back to this in the future, but do you think it was possible for Bush, even our Government to have stopped it?

    Personally, I'd say no. There weren't any specifics on how or when it would happen, so what would Bush have done? Stop all traffic into the united states? Arrest every person in America from afghanistan?

    It would be Impossible. Hell, even convincing Airports to spend more money on even stricter machines on the basis of a warning would have been impossible.

    It's just bothering me how blame for the attack is being blamed on Bush for not acting. I just don't see how it could have been done...

    What do you guys think?
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Yes I feel it could have possibly been averted.

    If the FBI, CIA, FBI and local authority's were allowed to share information, I think we could have lessened it's impact if not avert it completely.

    Let me clarify something. I think we would have have a very slim of the attacks being completely averted. In the end if we had stopped just 1 hijacking, lives would have been saved.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If the FBI, CIA, FBI and local authority's were allowed to share information, I think we could have lessened it's impact if not avert it completely.
    Absolutely correct!

    I'm extremely passionate about this very subject and now make my living working to help agencies correct this issue. The number one breakdown in our intelligence and law enforcement institutions prior to 9/11 was a culture of isolationism. Intelligence and information equated to bureaucratic power.

    Thank God we making progress.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Absolutely correct!

    I'm extremely passionate about this very subject and now make my living working to help agencies correct this issue. The number one breakdown in our intelligence and law enforcement institutions prior to 9/11 was a culture of isolationism. Intelligence and information equated to bureaucratic power.

    Thank God we making progress.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I feel it could have possibly been averted.

    If the FBI, CIA, FBI and local authority's were allowed to share information, I think we could have lessened it's impact if not avert it completely.

    Let me clarify something. I think we would have have a very slim of the attacks being completely averted. In the end if we had stopped just 1 hijacking, lives would have been saved.
    Agreed. In some respects it was good to have 9/11 because it opened our eyes as a whole what we need to be better at.Please do not take this the wrong way.I say this in the best regard possible.My thoughts and prayers go to the victims and families daily.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    I blame Bush for pretty much everything you can possibly blame a President for. However, I don't think there is any way that you can stop any terrorist from attacking a target (short of arresting every member of a terrorist cell, which is very difficult to do).

    Terrorists have a world of options when it comes to when, where and how to conduct a mission. While we're busy strip-searching Granny before she gets on a Southwest flight to El Paso, some terrorist is busy training to do something that has nothing to do with commercial airlines.

    America is famous for always preparing to fight the previous war.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElephantPhil View Post
    After recently watching Keith Olbermann's "8 Years of Bush in 8 minutes", he made sure to mention how a month before 9/11 (8/6, to be exact) he received a warning memo that bin laden was going to attack the U.S.

    I know we're going to commonly refer back to this in the future, but do you think it was possible for Bush, even our Government to have stopped it?

    Personally, I'd say no. There weren't any specifics on how or when it would happen, so what would Bush have done? Stop all traffic into the united states? Arrest every person in America from afghanistan?

    It would be Impossible. Hell, even convincing Airports to spend more money on even stricter machines on the basis of a warning would have been impossible.

    It's just bothering me how blame for the attack is being blamed on Bush for not acting. I just don't see how it could have been done...

    What do you guys think?
    COULD it have been stopped?

    Sure, it could have.

    Is it reasonable to suggest it could've been stopped.

    Not at all, and its the kind of hack move that shows KO to be as much of a ****ty, low brow, partisan as any Hannity or Rush despite what liberals like to tell themselves to make their own hate filled rhetoric spewers feel "different".

    It would've taken massive changes in how our intelligence and law enforcement agencies worked and corresponded. It would've needed for the administration to randomly decide that this singular threat was somehow so much more credible than all the other threats received on a daily basis. And then, even after that, it would've needed for nothing to have caused the terrorists to abort and for law enforcement to successfully pin point the terrorist and stop them before it happened.

    It would've required winning the lottery essentially to have stopped it at the point in time in which Bush was warned of it. Possible? Yes. Even in the same state, let alone neighborhood, or probable? Not at all.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    We have learned nothing from 9/11! We still have political BS on border control.

    We could not have stopped any attack then and we can not stop any attack now...if our borders aren't better protected.

    If Mexican's can cross the boarder back and forth almost at will, bringing money, drugs,...PEOPLE back and forth then there surely is an open door for a future germ attack!

    I read an article awhile back that talked about an increase in percentage of Middle Eastern trying to cross the Canadian border.

    I also read an article about Chinese crossing and some being found with anti-radiation pills on them.

    Why weren't these stories a bigger issue in the news?

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Yes, it could have been stopped. I read the commision report, it's tragic that more wasn't done to prevent it and share intelligence. By doing that, it would not have been hard to put 2 and 2 together and connect all the pieces together. The agencies not sharing that kind of warnings they were getting is about the most illogical thing I can think of. If even they could have stopped one plane from going that morning, that would have made an impact.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    COULD it have been stopped?

    Sure, it could have.

    Is it reasonable to suggest it could've been stopped.

    Not at all, and its the kind of hack move that shows KO to be as much of a ****ty, low brow, partisan as any Hannity or Rush despite what liberals like to tell themselves to make their own hate filled rhetoric spewers feel "different".

    It would've taken massive changes in how our intelligence and law enforcement agencies worked and corresponded. It would've needed for the administration to randomly decide that this singular threat was somehow so much more credible than all the other threats received on a daily basis. And then, even after that, it would've needed for nothing to have caused the terrorists to abort and for law enforcement to successfully pin point the terrorist and stop them before it happened.

    It would've required winning the lottery essentially to have stopped it at the point in time in which Bush was warned of it. Possible? Yes. Even in the same state, let alone neighborhood, or probable? Not at all.
    Yes, it could have been stopped.

    I do agree with you that the steps it would have taken would have been seen as radical and unjust without an attack. There were agents aware of people taking flying lessons that weren't interested in landing planes. The fact that they were ignored isn't Bush's fault. If someone would have taken them seriously, we may have been able to prevent it. Bush never heard about that information before the attacks. They got lost in the multiple filters of beaurocracy.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    We have learned nothing from 9/11! We still have political BS on border control.

    We could not have stopped any attack then and we can not stop any attack now...if our borders aren't better protected.

    If Mexican's can cross the boarder back and forth almost at will, bringing money, drugs,...PEOPLE back and forth then there surely is an open door for a future germ attack!

    I read an article awhile back that talked about an increase in percentage of Middle Eastern trying to cross the Canadian border.

    I also read an article about Chinese crossing and some being found with anti-radiation pills on them.

    Why weren't these stories a bigger issue in the news?
    Ask the Canadians what they think of our border patrol.
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