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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    COULD it have been stopped?

    Sure, it could have.

    Is it reasonable to suggest it could've been stopped.

    Not at all, and its the kind of hack move that shows KO to be as much of a ****ty, low brow, partisan as any Hannity or Rush despite what liberals like to tell themselves to make their own hate filled rhetoric spewers feel "different".

    It would've taken massive changes in how our intelligence and law enforcement agencies worked and corresponded. It would've needed for the administration to randomly decide that this singular threat was somehow so much more credible than all the other threats received on a daily basis. And then, even after that, it would've needed for nothing to have caused the terrorists to abort and for law enforcement to successfully pin point the terrorist and stop them before it happened.

    It would've required winning the lottery essentially to have stopped it at the point in time in which Bush was warned of it. Possible? Yes. Even in the same state, let alone neighborhood, or probable? Not at all.
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    @ the bolded portion...
    What you have described should have been changed long ago. The need to change was identified long before 9/11 but bureaucratic infighting and a sandbox mentality stifled that. As to the rest, it wouldn't have taken randomly picking threats at all. Our guys knew in advance there was a plot to use airliners in an attack, it simply wasn't prioritized in the intelligence community and it certainly wasn't shared properly with other agencies.

    That attack on 9/11 could have been disrupted. They may have found another way to attack, but that specific attack could have been disrupted.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Of course it could've been stopped, but you can only make such a statement, much in the same way you might make any kind of 20/20 hindsight "what if?" statement. It wasn't just GWB. It goes all the way back to Afghanistan in the 80's, events during the Clinton 90's, Bush's famous indifference, and even perhaps well before all of that. But it could've been stopped, but only in the same way like I could've thought to look up before banging my head on the way out the door this morning. I could've stopped that, too.

    Interestingly enough, if you search the white house website for instances of "bin Laden" before 9/11/01, there are 5 matches. Four of them are questions from the press, asking Ari Fleischer what the administration planned to do about him. Here are the answers:

    "That's a question I think you want to talk to the Department of Justice about."

    "Let me take that and get back to you on that."

    "I'm going to, for the moment, refer that question to Mary Ellen, to the Department of Defense."

    "The President will take action that he deems appropriate in national security interests."

    Who knows whether it could have been stopped. But when you try, or when you even care, you definitely up your chances.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Could it have been prevented? Easily.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Bush only received the memo about Al Qaeda because he specifically asked for it. "Tell me what is going on with Al Qaeda?"

    I'm sure the news that AQ was planning terrorist attacks against the US was startling to him. Who would have imagined?

    He should have immediately shut down all the airports and stopped all shipping within the country. All Mid Easterners should have been rounded up and put into detention camps.

    And then he should have been impeached for gross abuse of power.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    If an enemy waits long enough, has enough money, and plans well, it can take even the USA by surprise.

    9/11 was horrible.

    Bush wanted to go down in history as great Bush, but now he will go down in history as the worst president in our history. A little retarded Bush. He will not be forgotten.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

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    Could we have stopped 9/11?Stick to the topic, don't try to derail this into a conversation on Iraq.
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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Yes, we knew that the danger level was high before it happened, we should have been able to do something to stop, or at least limit the damage done. However, we most certainly could have stopped it if the U.S. wasn't so busy running around being the world's policeman and pissing off the people who attacked us. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide we'd make a good target, our actions largely are responsible for the attack.

    Had we been a bit brighter in our actions, likely no one would have wanted to attack us in the first place.
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    fyi Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElephantPhil View Post
    ... I know we're going to commonly refer back to this in the future, but do you think it was possible for Bush, even our Government to have stopped it?....
    It could have easily been prevented from even starting. Remember back in the early 1980's when the U.S. was giving the Mujahadeen military training, stinger missiles and other weapons to keep the Russians from invading Afghanistan?

    In case you don't know, the Mujahadeen are what we now know as Al Qaeda.

    If we had just simply done NOTHING, there would have been no Al Qaeda in the first place.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    It could have easily been prevented from even starting. Remember back in the early 1980's when the U.S. was giving the Mujahadeen military training, stinger missiles and other weapons to keep the Russians from invading Afghanistan?

    In case you don't know, the Mujahadeen are what we now know as Al Qaeda.

    If we had just simply done NOTHING, there would have been no Al Qaeda in the first place.
    And the Russians were fighting Muslim extremism.

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    Re: Could we have stopped 9/11?

    Short term:
    I don't think so for the following reason. I believe that this plan was known about in some form. That there was a plan for terrorists to use planes to crash them into buildings. For sake of argument, let's just work from there. The government didn't take it seriously, it seemed too improbable. I don't think 9/11 could have been averted less we had solid evidence of the specific attack. That sort of attack was never done before and if you pick it up off of the rumor mill, you're not going to pay no mind. It's not fault of the government on this one, I would have done the same thing. We do a lot of listening in and the government acts in many ways to figure out terrorist plans and prevent them; but in the process they're going to pick up a lot of rumors which turn out to be false, so they have to give the options some form of credibility. What's most likely, what's least likely, where do we spend time and money and man power, etc. So unless they got some form of solid lead that said "yes, this is going to happen", ramming planes into a building at the time didn't sound like a credible attack.

    It's unfortunate, and it's not the fault of the government on that one. I mean, first off you can't prevent all terrorist attack; some are gonna get through and you have to deal with it. Second, there's a lot of information and misinformation out there that has to be shifted through. Third, this type of attack was unprecedented on American soil. You pick something like this out of the rumor mill, you're gonna rank it rather low on the probability scale. Could it be prevented? I'd say likely not, not unless some solid and credible evidence had come forward before the planes had left the ground (well with enough time for the government to respond).

    Long term:
    If you want to go back pretty far and consider the actions that America had taken in the Middle East and ask if 9/11 could have been averted or terrorism as a whole made less a threat; here I think most certainly there could have been made change. A lot of the terrorism is blowback against the West, because of our interventionist policies. There's no guarantee that there would be zero terrorism (in fact, I think that's an impossible state); but we have definintely been doing things for decades which has caused a lot of hate and anger against the US and the West as a whole.
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