View Poll Results: What will be GWB's legacy?

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  • A great and inspired world leader

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  • A man who accomplished much but failed to live up to his complete potential

    3 8.57%
  • A man who may have had good ideas but failed to accomplish much

    10 28.57%
  • A man with lack of ideas and accomplished very little

    6 17.14%
  • A complete and utter failure who drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy

    16 45.71%
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Thread: GWB's Legacy

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, I was like 2 years old when Jimmy Carter administration ended, so I don't remember anything specifically bad about Jimmy Carter.
    I believe you have put your entire argument here into exactly the correct perspective.

    I never said he's the only one who divided the country.
    You said:
    "...it goes to show just how much Bush managed to split the country..."

    Compare and contrast the "split" that Bush "caused" to that of Buchanan/Lincoln.

    Neve rnind that the country was obviously split -before- Bush took office.

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    He probably had some good ideas. He just didn't accomplish any of them.
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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I believe you have put your entire argument here into exactly the correct perspective.


    You said:
    "...it goes to show just how much Bush managed to split the country..."

    Compare and contrast the "split" that Bush "caused" to that of Buchanan/Lincoln.

    Neve rnind that the country was obviously split -before- Bush took office.
    And he did manage to split the country. I wasn't saying it as a comparative statement that he split the country more than some Presidents of the past. The country was definitely split beforehand, but it seems to me that the political divisions were much more clear and more defined during the Bush Administration. Perhaps it was just that both sides were yelling louder, who knows? All I know is that people were, for a short while, united after 9/11 and that it didn't last long. The divisions seemed even sharper than the were before 9/11.

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    And he did manage to split the country.
    As noted, the coutnry was split before he got in office.

    I wasn't saying it as a comparative statement that he split the country more than some Presidents of the past.
    You have to be comparing it to something, especially in tems of a 'worst/best President topic.

    The country was definitely split beforehand, but it seems to me that the political divisions were much more clear and more defined during the Bush Administration.
    More than in 1861?

    Perhaps it was just that both sides were yelling louder, who knows? All I know is that people were, for a short while, united after 9/11 and that it didn't last long.
    Given that Bush has always done more or less exactly what he said he would do -- how do you suppose this split came about?

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As noted, the coutnry was split before he got in office.
    Again, I never said it wasn't split before he was President. It wasn't as defined and sharp as it was after 9/11.

    You have to be comparing it to something, especially in tems of a 'worst/best President topic.
    No, I don't. I've already said that I wouldn't consider him the Worst President Ever as I think that's an absurd and melodramatic sentiment. I obviously don't consider him the best.

    More than in 1861?
    Once again, I didn't say it as a comparative statement. If you want to have that non-existent argument you can have it with yourself.

    Given that Bush has always done more or less exactly what he said he would do -- how do you suppose this split came about?
    Like I said earlier, I think the split came about when Bush tried to use 9/11 as currency to push for an unrelated war. If you are going to continue to ask the same questions over and over again I'll stop responding to your posts.

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Again, I never said it wasn't split before he was President. It wasn't as defined and sharp as it was after 9/11.
    By what standard?

    Like I said earlier, I think the split came about when Bush tried to use 9/11 as currency to push for an unrelated war.
    Was the country 'united' when we went into Iraq?

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    A lot of the crap he did that was truly despicable will likely get white washed or completely forgotten by the majority of historians. This generally happens to all presidents. What Bush will get defined by is Iraq and Afghanistan. But any decent historian will note those as tainted given how Iraq at least got to where it was.
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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    History will show GWB in a positive light.
    Anyone that considers him a faulure needs to look back no nurther than Truman...
    Some people are describing his as a combination of the failures of Truman, Nixon and Carter and other failures.
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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Take off your own "BDS" glasses...maybe you will see something other than what you want to see. I made the poll options with 1 basically 100% in favor of Bush, 1 100% against Bush and the other three that fall within.
    What are your views of his legacy and how don't they fall within any of the options provided....please enlighten us.
    I don’t suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome. I did not suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome either. In fact I’m proud to say I’ve managed to avoid, through use of my intellect common sense and most importantly maturity, irrational fixations or obsessions with any POTUS that has served in my lifetime. As you have been proudly vociferous in your opinions on Bush, it is just a tad too late for you to claim any objectivity on this topic whatsoever.

    Which is amply demonstrated by your “poll”.

    Here are the other three options you posit as “falling within”:

    A man who accomplished much but failed to live up to his complete potential

    A man who may have had good ideas but failed to accomplish much

    A man with lack of ideas and accomplished very little


    The Bush legacy will not be decided on “he had great/bad ideas” or his “potential” anymore than any prior POTUS legacy is. This is the problem with “polls” generated and created by proudly partisan posters with an axe to grind. This poll would be a crappy poll regardless of who the POTUS is IMO. You don't like it? Send along your address and I'll mail you some Disney themed tissue paper.
    Last edited by Sir Loin; 01-19-09 at 11:16 PM.

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    Re: GWB's Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post

    I don’t suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome. I did not suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome either. In fact I’m proud to say I’ve managed to avoid, through use of my intellect common sense and most importantly maturity, irrational fixations or obsessions with any POTUS that has served in my lifetime. As you have been proudly vociferous in your opinions on Bush, it is just a tad too late for you to claim any objectivity on this topic whatsoever.

    Which is amply demonstrated by your “poll”.

    Here are the other three options you posit as “falling within”:

    A man who accomplished much but failed to live up to his complete potential


    A man who may have had good ideas but failed to accomplish much

    A man with lack of ideas and accomplished very little


    The Bush legacy will not be decided on “he had great/bad ideas” or his “potential” anymore than any prior POTUS legacy is. This is the problem with “polls” generated and created by proudly partisan posters with an axe to grind. This poll would be a crappy poll regardless of who the POTUS is IMO. You don't like it? Send along your address and I'll mail you some Disney themed tissue paper.
    Give me a break...your own arrogance exposes your own "syndromes"....
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