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Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

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Southern Man said:
Ever hear of google"?

Pentagon: Gitmo detainees returning to battlefield - Yahoo! News
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Did you even bother to read the story you linked? It says:

Morrell said the new numbers showed a "pretty substantial increase" of detainees returning to terror missions — from 7 percent to 11 percent.
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That means between 89% to 93% of those released DID NOT return to "the battlefield. Or to simplify it for you 9 out of 10 released prisoners have never fought against America DESPITE being held without trial for YEARS!

As for the 10% or so who it is believed have gone back to fight us one word describes that result - DUH!

I'm surprised that more haven't been released and then rallied to fight us after being held for YEARS without cause in a torture racked prison camp.

You have proven my point so well with your post, thanks so much!
 
walleye said:
All of these bleeding hearts are gonna look pretty stupid when this backfires right in their face and it will, no doubt about it. Their phoney righteous indignation and phoney cause is being used by those who want to destroy us and the moonbats are too naive to see it. It's a character flaw of the far left. When it does backfire, they will blame the right for making the terrorists angry. They always justify themselves by blaming others. Not taking responsibility is a far left character flaw. I just witnessed it tonight on CNN. A far left moonbat justified the leader of Al Queda in Yeman who was released from Gitmo by saying if he had been held in Gitmo that he would probably be angry and would do something to retaliate also. They never take responsibility for their errors in judgement. It's arrogance gone to seed.
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Why are Republicans so afraid of anyone that's not a white christian American? It's like you're so fearful that the boogie man is going to get you....it appears you have no faith in America at all and that the only way you think we "win" is to crap all over out ethics in the name of "security."

Now that's scary!
 
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moe said:
It will probably backfire because they will go to the other extreme. Conservative extreme lock em all up liberal extreme let em all go.
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Can you please show me these "liberals" you claim want to "let them all go?"

Why are there so many people who keep posting that Democrats / Liberals want to simply release all of the prisoners? I do not know of anyone with creditability asking for that? It's just another lie being spread by desperate and scared Republicans.
 
Family Guy said:
Can you please show me these "liberals" you claim want to "let them all go?"

Why are there so many people who keep posting that Democrats / Liberals want to simply release all of the prisoners? I do not know of anyone with creditability asking for that? It's just another lie being spread by desperate and scared Republicans.
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i will ask like for the 3rd or 100th time.


What do you propose we do with them?:roll:
 
moe said:
It will probably backfire because they will go to the other extreme. Conservative extreme lock em all up liberal extreme let em all go. Typical government methods at handling problems.

What needs to be done is to establish a legal process that sorts them all out and provides some form of justice.

You have some here that say they are prisoners of war. If that is so then the geneva convention applies. Others say they are thugs. If that is so then the criminal justice system should handle them.

As a nation that prides itself on fairness justice and due process to hold prisoners that are only suspected of terror actions indefinitly and denying the accused the right to prove their innocence or guilt is not a good thing.

If we are holding some one that has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is truly a terrorist then that person should be held via a legal sentencing process.

It is the warehousing and torture policies with inmates being denied the basic rights to legal recourse that has brought about the calls for closing Gitmo

Then comes the problem of where do we put them after if they are legally convicted? They are a special class of prisoner in the sense that they are non US citizens that have perptrated attacks against the US and they would not really be safe in a military or civilian prisons general populations.

Moe
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Good post.

I don't believe waterboarding is torture. I also believe we should get information in any fashion available that saves American lives.

I believe we should keep them right where they are. Gitmo. Secure, warm, good food, medical care, etc, etc.
 
walleye said:
Good post.

I don't believe waterboarding is torture. I also believe we should get information in any fashion available that saves American lives.

I believe we should keep them right where they are. Gitmo. Secure, warm, good food, medical care, etc, etc.
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Yeah, wouldnt wanna release them in spokompton. :lol:
 
aquapub said:
It's called literacy.
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I found this hilarious because you cannot answer simple questions.
I think you are having a literacy problem.
So, define aggressive interrogation and water-boarding.
Please, do nothing else but define at this segment.
aquapub said:
I'm sure.
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Data supplied by the DOD says only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters…so, does 8% equal nearly every single detainee?
The same data says 55% have not committed any hostile acts against the US or its coalition allies.
Yup, nearly every single…No, you are wrong.
aquapub said:
We're at war here, Sparky.
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When did Congress declare war?
aquapub said:
So yes, get a clue.
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Sadly, you have no clue.
1 – These foreigners have not been found guilty of terrorism and DOD data shows that you are wrong for assuming they are all terrorists (only 8% were characterized as al Qaeda fighters).
2 – The point is that foreigners do not need the protection of our Constitution to seek relief from unlawful detention.
 
JMak said:
Do you?
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Well, I was mainly talking about the policies of Nazi-Germany and Stalin’s Russia but, we are clearly on the path. The Military Commissions Act opens the door.
 
Please everybody. you closed my GITMO but you have not told me what to do with these terrorists.


Thank you!
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Wait, so you want to give them base housing now? mix em up among the military families?
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I couldn't stop laughing at that one. Isnt that a pretty picture, Capt. Jihadist living right behind me and 150 yards from the flightline. Im sure thats a pretty tasty target; 8 $350 million dollar C-17's that he can take his Semtex ladened SUV over the fence and go for a drive...Im an aircraft mech. on Hickam AFB, HI by the way. I for one agree entirely with Gitmo.
Military documents show that Mr. Qahtani’s repeated interrogations at Guantánamo in 2002 and 2003 included prolonged isolation, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, exposure to cold and involuntary grooming.
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What they consider torture as changed so much over the years...Putting folks in a cold room?, sleep deprevation?, loud music? BEING FORCED TO GROOM!!?? kemon people! most of these folks could go a long way on some water, a bar of soap and a comb. Why dont you go back to the 1940's and ask the Japanese or Vietnemese in the 60/70's or hell even the sandbox countries of today on their techniques of interrogation, im sure they's love to show you.
The actions taking place at these prisons and "secret CIA interrogation facilities" have probably thwarted more attacks and potential treats to the US and our interests that the average person would much rather not know about. You're average joe shmo is not running around town scared ****less always aware of the nearest protective shelter because he's expecting a hijacked airbus to come down on his head any second, or the kid holding the backpack on the bus to suddenly blow up. I believe this is partly because the general public doesn't even have half a clue how real the threat is. And a main reason they dont know this is because of places like Gitmo.
We could have countinued this way if it hadn't been for the few jounalists and "hi mom" picture taking idiots showing what really went on there letting all those human rights activists to get their foot in the door.

I for one would be extremely interested in what those who oppose such a place would say if God-forbid, one of these former guests of Cuba's beach resort got off because of an overly-fair trial in the US and turned around to recruit more members of his org. to kill Americans abroad or strapped himself with explosives and took a walk to the elementary school down the street...

And just curious how would we intend to "investigate" and perform these trials? This isnt like Nuremberg in 45'-46' where the crimes were clear and easy to prosecute These people were captured during a time of war. And im pretty damned sure that when we took em' we had good cause. After being on the streets in both Iraq and Afghanistan I tended to know the difference between the good guy and the bad guy when one of em is lighting up the wall next to you with his AK. There will never be solid evidence proving that these folks were active combatants against US interests. The judicial system is going to be way to friendly to anyone from Gitmo recieving a trial because of that.

Keep it open. keep em there.
 
Embed GPS transponders into the prisoner's brains, unable to be surgically removed unless the patient is killed, drop them off into Afghanistan and watch were they go. Then drop bombs on them once we confirm that they enter terrorist camps. After we win the WOT then close Gitmo.
 
Wessexman said:
A lot are socially liberal it seems unfortunately.
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I can agree with you there. It would seem, however, that a decent amount of the "socially conservative" are just Christians hoping to push their beliefs on others(no abortion, no gay marriage, etc.)
 
EgoffTib said:
I can agree with you there. It would seem, however, that a decent amount of the "socially conservative" are just Christians hoping to push their beliefs on others(no abortion, no gay marriage, etc.)
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Or in words people who aren't afraid to stand up for their spiritual, ethical and metaphysical beliefs rather than engaging in the absurdity of pretending their political and social viewpoints are devoid of these.

Socially Conservatives does not extend to a lot of what the "Moral amjority" get up to but it certainly is not afraid to stand up for the ancient traditional beliefs and morals of a society because some rationalists and universalists don't like it.

It is extremely hard to be meaningfully libertarian and certainly decentralist in my opinion, and I know a lot about libertarian and particularly decentralist beliefs if I do say so myself, without having a powerful Conservative, and that means socially Conservative, streak.
 
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Wessexman said:
It is extremely hard to be meaningfully libertarian and certainly decentralist in my opinion, and I know a lot about libertarian and particularly decentralist beliefs if I do say so myself, without having a powerful Conservative, and that means socially Conservative, streak.
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So what do you consider to be socially conservative? Libertarians are notorious proponents of the abolition of victimless crimes(drugs, prostitution, etc.), which seems like a socially liberal concept.
 
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