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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The left? Libertarian =/= Liberal.
    A lot are socially liberal it seems unfortunately.
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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Embed GPS transponders into the prisoner's brains, unable to be surgically removed unless the patient is killed, drop them off into Afghanistan and watch were they go. Then drop bombs on them once we confirm that they enter terrorist camps. After we win the WOT then close Gitmo.

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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    A lot are socially liberal it seems unfortunately.
    I can agree with you there. It would seem, however, that a decent amount of the "socially conservative" are just Christians hoping to push their beliefs on others(no abortion, no gay marriage, etc.)
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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I can agree with you there. It would seem, however, that a decent amount of the "socially conservative" are just Christians hoping to push their beliefs on others(no abortion, no gay marriage, etc.)
    Or in words people who aren't afraid to stand up for their spiritual, ethical and metaphysical beliefs rather than engaging in the absurdity of pretending their political and social viewpoints are devoid of these.

    Socially Conservatives does not extend to a lot of what the "Moral amjority" get up to but it certainly is not afraid to stand up for the ancient traditional beliefs and morals of a society because some rationalists and universalists don't like it.

    It is extremely hard to be meaningfully libertarian and certainly decentralist in my opinion, and I know a lot about libertarian and particularly decentralist beliefs if I do say so myself, without having a powerful Conservative, and that means socially Conservative, streak.
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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It is extremely hard to be meaningfully libertarian and certainly decentralist in my opinion, and I know a lot about libertarian and particularly decentralist beliefs if I do say so myself, without having a powerful Conservative, and that means socially Conservative, streak.
    So what do you consider to be socially conservative? Libertarians are notorious proponents of the abolition of victimless crimes(drugs, prostitution, etc.), which seems like a socially liberal concept.
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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So what do you consider to be socially conservative? Libertarians are notorious proponents of the abolition of victimless crimes(drugs, prostitution, etc.), which seems like a socially liberal concept.
    Libertarian is a broad category as is socially Conservative. I just mean a respect for tradition, history and a veneration of intermediate associations/institutions and their functions, customs and authorities and a distrust of what Michael Oakeshott called "Rationalism" in politics or what Hayek called "Constructivism".

    It is certainly able to be linked to some socially libertarian ideas but it is not completely individualist and always remembers the importance of society and associations and local traditions and customs and is certainly not libertine or laissez faire in this area.

    I myself favour legalising soft drugs and legalising prostition in certain areas as well as reducing penalties against harder drugs but I'd ultimately leave it up to local and county decisions in England.
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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Still no answer from out left wing friends as to what to do with the captured at Gitmo....


    hmmmmm


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    Re: Should Gitmo Be Closed ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Still no answer from out left wing friends as to what to do with the captured at Gitmo....


    hmmmmm
    I suggest a rave.

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