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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I never used the words "shameful abomination". I said spiritually dead. "Shameful abomination" are your words, not mine.

    Islam is a murderous hateful cult that has contributed nothing positive to civilization. In Islam you are not fully human if you are not a muslim. Muhammed also believed rats are mutant Jews.

    The Christian-Judeo culture has contributed considerable to civilization and culture.

    Please digress some more.
    Hate speech, kudos to you!

    Do you have anything to support your claims:
    - Non-Muslims are not fully humans in Islam (I don't even know how this makes sense)
    - Muhammad believed rats are mutant Jews
    - Islam has contributed nothing positive to civilization (not even Trigonometry?)

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    - Islam has contributed nothing positive to civilization (not even Trigonometry?)
    I suggest you go back to History class. The Arabs and Islam contribued quite a bit thanks.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    All those who God killed in the Old Testament were judged. The punishment for sin is death. That still stands. Unless you take God's way out through faith in Jesus the Savior, you will also face eternal death. Everyone will. That is not genocidal killing.
    So the Muslims, the Jews, the Athiests and all non-Christians are spiritually dead. Essentially zombies, yes? And since the vast majority of people do not take the mystical, magical Jesus oath which could magically grant them salvation regardless of what terrible people they were, most of us are to be judged just as were the infidels of the old testament. And, if the zombie infadels were to develop their own political wills, which could interfere with and be contrary to the Christian agenda of saving the world with the mystical, magic Jesus oath, it could forseeably be God's will to rain death upon them, of course with the help of special human Christian helpers. This has happened on several notable historical occasions. So um, what's changed since the old testament again?
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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I suggest you go back to History class. The Arabs and Islam contribued quite a bit thanks.
    I don't think Islam contributed trigonometry. Compared to the Judeo-Christian culture, Arabs and Islam have contributed a drop in the bucket. Why don't you give us a list of all the Arab-Muslim Nobel prize winners and I'll give a list of all the Judeo-Christian Nobel prize winners. Are you up to the challenge?

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    So the Muslims, the Jews, the Athiests and all non-Christians are spiritually dead. Essentially zombies, yes? And since the vast majority of people do not take the mystical, magical Jesus oath which could magically grant them salvation regardless of what terrible people they were, most of us are to be judged just as were the infidels of the old testament. And, if the zombie infadels were to develop their own political wills, which could interfere with and be contrary to the Christian agenda of saving the world with the mystical, magic Jesus oath, it could forseeably be God's will to rain death upon them, of course with the help of special human Christian helpers. This has happened on several notable historical occasions. So um, what's changed since the old testament again?
    Sounds like a good movie.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I don't think Islam contributed trigonometry. Compared to the Judeo-Christian culture, Arabs and Islam have contributed a drop in the bucket. Why don't you give us a list of all the Arab-Muslim Nobel prize winners and I'll give a list of all the Judeo-Christian Nobel prize winners. Are you up to the challenge?
    It seems like a lot of cultures contributed:

    Trigonometry is not the work of any one man or nation. Its history spans thousands of years and has touched every major civilization. It should be noted that from the time of Hipparchus until modern times there was no such thing as a trigonometric ratio. Instead, the Greeks and after them the Hindus and the Muslims used trigonometric lines. These lines first took the form of chords and later half chords, or sines. These chord and sine lines would then be associated with numerical values, possibly approximations, and listed in trigonometric tables.[2]

    History of trigonometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    So the Muslims, the Jews, the Athiests and all non-Christians are spiritually dead. Essentially zombies, yes?
    That is a ridicules comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    And since the vast majority of people do not take the mystical, magical Jesus oath which could magically grant them salvation regardless of what terrible people they were, most of us are to be judged just as were the infidels of the old testament.
    It is much more than taking an oath.

    No, "most of us" will not be judged. All of us will be judged, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    And, if the zombie infadels were to develop their own political wills, which could interfere with and be contrary to the Christian agenda of saving the world with the mystical, magic Jesus oath, it could forseeably be God's will to rain death upon them, of course with the help of special human Christian helpers.
    #1 No "zombie infadels" exist in Christianity.
    #2 The Christian agenda is to see people saved, not taking a "mystical, magic Jesus oath" but being sincere in the excepting of Christ. This alone will not get you into heaven, but it is a big step.
    #3 Until the end times God will not rain death down on anyone. When God does, their is no mention of him needing help from "special human Christian helpers."

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    This has happened on several notable historical occasions. So um, what's changed since the old testament again?
    Christians are not bound by the OT. We are under the new covenant of Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I don't think Islam contributed trigonometry
    Don't act ignorant and stupid. Arabs played a role in continuing the furthering of knowledge during the Middle Ages.
    Islamic Mathematics and Astronomy was a part played by the Arab field.
    Yusuf - these numerals he had translated and studied were finally known in the West as Arabic numerals.
    Ahmad al-Nahavandi - Made astronomical observations at Jundishapur and compiled tables.
    Al-Khwarizmi was one of the first to compute astronomical and trigonometrical tables

    Hell that is just 5 out of many. Do continue if you want me to go on at Arab/Islamic contributions to Medicine, Alchemy, Physics, and Technology. Islamic Geography, and Geology and Muslim Mathematics and Astronomy.
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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Don't act ignorant and stupid. Arabs played a role in continuing the furthering of knowledge during the Middle Ages.
    Islamic Mathematics and Astronomy was a part played by the Arab field.
    Yusuf - these numerals he had translated and studied were finally known in the West as Arabic numerals.
    Ahmad al-Nahavandi - Made astronomical observations at Jundishapur and compiled tables.
    Al-Khwarizmi was one of the first to compute astronomical and trigonometrical tables

    Hell that is just 5 out of many. Do continue if you want me to go on at Arab/Islamic contributions to Medicine, Alchemy, Physics, and Technology. Islamic Geography, and Geology and Muslim Mathematics and Astronomy.
    Why would I want to act ignorant and stupid when I have you?

    Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners

    From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)
    Literature

    1988 - Najib Mahfooz

    Peace

    1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

    1994 - Yasser Arafat *

    2003 - Shirin Ebadi

    Chemistry

    1999 - Ahmed Zewail

    Physics

    Abdus Salam



    * NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."


    Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

    From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)
    Literature

    1910 - Paul Heyse

    1927 - Henri Bergson

    1958 - Boris Pasternak

    1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

    1966 - Nelly Sachs

    1976 - Saul Bellow

    1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

    1981 - Elias Canetti

    1987 - Joseph Brodsky

    1991 - Nadine Gordimer

    2002 - Imre Kertesz

    World Peace

    1911 - Alfred Fried

    1911 - Tobias Asser

    1968 - Rene Cassin

    1973 - Henry Kissinger

    1978 - Menachem Begin

    1986 - Elie Wiesel

    1994 - Shimon Peres

    1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

    1995 - Joseph Rotblat

    Chemistry

    1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

    1906 - Henri Moissan

    1910 - Otto Wallach

    1915 - Richard Willstaetter

    1918 - Fritz Haber

    1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

    1961 - Melvin Calvin

    1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

    1972 - William Howard Stein

    1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

    1977 - Ilya Prigogine

    1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

    1980 - Paul Berg

    1980 - Walter Gilbert

    1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

    1982 - Aaron Klug

    1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

    1985 - Jerome Karle

    1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

    1988 - Robert Huber

    1989 - Sidney Altman

    1992 - Rudolph Marcus

    1998 - Walter Kohn

    2000 - Alan J. Heeger

    2004 - Irwin Rose

    2004 - Avram Hershko

    2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

    Economics

    1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

    1971 - Simon Kuznets

    1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

    1973 - Wassily Leontief

    1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

    1976 - Milton Friedman

    1978 - Herbert A. Simon

    1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

    1985 - Franco Modigliani

    1987 - Robert M. Solow

    1990 - Harry Markowitz

    1990 - Merton Miller

    1992 - Gary Becker

    1993 - Rober Fogel

    1994 - John Harsanyi

    1994 - Reinhard Selten

    1997 - Robert Merton

    1997 - Myron Scholes

    2001 - George Akerlof

    2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

    2002 - Daniel Kahneman

    2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

    Medicine

    1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

    1908 - Paul Erlich

    1914 - Robert Barany

    1922 - Otto Meyerhof

    1930 - Karl Landsteiner

    1931 - Otto Warburg

    1936 - Otto Loewi

    1944 - Joseph Erlanger

    1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

    1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

    1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

    1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

    1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

    1953 - Hans Krebs

    1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

    1958 - Joshua Lederberg

    1959 - Arthur Kornberg

    1964 - Konrad Bloch

    1965 - Francois Jacob

    1965 - Andre Lwoff

    1967 - George Wald

    1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

    1969 - Salvador Luria

    1970 - Julius Axelrod

    1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

    1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

    1975 - David Baltimore

    1975 - Howard Martin Temin

    1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

    1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

    1977 - Andrew V. Schally

    1978 - Daniel Nathans

    1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

    1984 - Cesar Milstein

    1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

    1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

    1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

    1988 - Gertrude Elion

    1989 - Harold Varmus

    1991 - Erwin Neher

    1991 - Bert Sakmann

    1993 - Richard J. Roberts

    1993 - Phillip Sharp

    1994 - Alfred Gilman

    1994 - Martin Rodbell

    1995 - Edward B. Lewis

    1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

    1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

    2000 - Eric R. Kandel

    2002 - Sydney Brenner

    2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

    Physics

    1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

    1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

    1921 - Albert Einstein

    1922 - Niels Bohr

    1925 - James Franck

    1925 - Gustav Hertz

    1943 - Gustav Stern

    1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

    1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

    1952 - Felix Bloch

    1954 - Max Born

    1958 - Igor Tamm

    1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

    1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

    1959 - Emilio Segre

    1960 - Donald A. Glaser

    1961 - Robert Hofstadter

    1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

    1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

    1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

    1965 - Julian Schwinger

    1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

    1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

    1971 - Dennis Gabor

    1972 - Leon N. Cooper

    1973 - Brian David Josephson

    1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

    1976 - Burton Richter

    1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

    1978 - Peter L Kapitza

    1979 - Stephen Weinberg

    1979 - Sheldon Glashow

    1988 - Leon Lederman

    1988 - Melvin Schwartz

    1988 - Jack Steinberger

    1990 - Jerome Friedman

    1992 - Georges Charpak

    1995 - Martin Perl

    1995 - Frederick Reines

    1996 - David M. Lee

    1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

    1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

    2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

    2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

    2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

    After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Why would I want to act ignorant and stupid when I have you?

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    After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.
    Probably because Nobel Prizes were only given out since 1901 and not for the other thousands of years humans have lived.

    Notice how there's no Nobel Prize in Mathematics?

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