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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Political System in Islam
    Reader comment on article: There Are No Moderates: Dealing with Fundamentalist Islam
    Submitted by Muhammad Shakeel Faiz (Pakistan), Jan 7, 2006 at 06:06

    The political system of Islam is based on three principles: Tawhid (unity of Allah), Risalat (Prophethood) and Khilafat (vicegerency). It is difficult to appreciate the different aspects of Islamic polity without fully understanding these three principles. I will therefore begin with a brief exposition of what they are.

    Tawhid means that only Allah is the Creator, Sustainer and Master of the universe and of all that exists in it, organic or inorganic. The sovereignty of this kingdom is vested only in Him. He alone has the right to command or forbid. Worship and obedience are due to Him alone, no one and nothing else shares it in any way. Life, in all its forms, our physical organs and faculties, the apparent control which we have over nearly everything in our lives and the things themselves, none of them has been created or acquired by us in our own right. They have been bestowed on us entirely by Allah.

    Hence, it is not for us to decide the aim and purpose of our existence or to set the limits of our authority; nor is anyone else entitled to make these decisions for us. This right rests only with Allah, who has created us, endowed us with mental and physical faculties, and provided material things for our use. Tawhid means that only Allah is the Creator, Sustainer and Master of the universe and of all that exists in it, organic or inorganic. The sovereignty of this kingdom is vested only in Him. He alone has the right to command or forbid. Worship and obedience are due to Him alone, no one and nothing else shares it in any way. Life, in all its forms, our physical organs and faculties, the apparent control which we have over nearly everything in our lives and the things themselves, none of them has been created or acquired by us in our own right. They have been bestowed on us entirely by Allah.


    This principle of the unity of Allah totally negates the concept of the legal and political independence of human beings, individually or collectively. No individual, family, class or race can set themselves above Allah. Allah alone is the Ruler and His commandments are the Law.

    The medium through which we receive the law of Allah is known as Risalat. We have received two things from this source: the Book in which Allah has set out His law, and the authoritative interpretation and exemplification of the Book by the Prophet, blessings and peace be on him through word and deed, in his capacity as the representative of Allah. The Prophet, blessings and peace be on him, has also, in accordance with the intention of the Divine Book, given us a model for the Islamic way of life by himself implementing the law and providing necessary details where required. The combination of these two elements is called the Shari‘ah.

    Now consider Khilafat. According to the Arabic lexicon, it means ‘representation'. Man, according to Islam, is the representative of Allah on earth, His vicegerent. That is to say, by virtue of the powers delegated to him by Allah, he is required to exercise his Allah-given authority in this world within the limits prescribed by Allah.

    Take, for example, the case of an estate which someone has been appointed to administer on your behalf. You will see that four conditions are invariably met. First, the real ownership of the estate remains vested in you and not in the administrator; second, he administers your property only in accordance with your instructions; third, he exercises his authority within the limits prescribed by you; and fourth, in the administration of the trust he executes your will and not his own. These four conditions are so inherent in the concept of ‘representation' that if any representative fails to observe them he will rightly be blamed for breaking the covenant which was implied in the concept of ‘representation'. This is exactly what Islam means when it affirms that man is the vicegerent of Allah on earth. Hence, these four conditions are also involved in the concept of Khilafat.

    A state that is established in accordance with this political theory will in fact be a human caliphate under the sovereignty of Allah and will do Allah's will by working within the limits prescribed by Him and in accordance with His instructions and injunctions.

    This is a new and revised translation of a talk given by the author on Radio Pakistan, Lahore, on 20th January, 1948.

    More at this link:
    Political System in Islam - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. You are an idiot irregardless of what I may think of the tactics liberals use to avoid the argument on Islam. Islam is not a political system. It's not trying to take over the world. It's not even trying to take my coloring pencils away. However the argument I made was there is a problem within it. That problem being the radicals. That you take that somehow to mean that Islam is a political system that should be opposed is on you. Not me. Let's not play like we're on the same page about Islam and you're not one of the most dishonest posters on this board. You were being dishonest with this poll from the start. There is no such thing as political Islam. Islam can be forced into a political system but in and of itself it is not a political system. Neither is Christianity unless it is used for that purpose. No flip-flop here. Just your idiotic belief that because I disagree with liberals on a certain issue that I agree with you on another.
    You don't have anything to support your belief. But you sure as hell feel strongly about it.

    Islam is rules and prohibitions and laws.

    Ever heard of Sharia law?

    That is what it is.

    Political.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    non-muslims may live without Sharia law if they pay a tax. If that is not political then I don't know what is.

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    Thanks, walleye. That's more than enough. He's acting more irrationally than usual tonight.

    One would think with his two infractions that his remaining time at DP would be short.

    He asked to be banned in the first 'idiot' post of his.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    You don't have anything to support your belief. But you sure as hell feel strongly about it.

    Islam is rules and prohibitions and laws.

    Ever heard of Sharia law?

    That is what it is.

    Political.
    What stupidity. By this standard then so is Christianity. Or are you saying the 10 commandments are not prohibitions and laws?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Thanks, walleye. That's more than enough. He's acting more irrationally than usual tonight.

    One would think with his two infractions that his remaining time at DP would be short.

    He asked to be banned in the first 'idiot' post of his.
    Do you think I give 2 ****s about being banned from this site? Lol. Get a clue. Better yet. Get a map of the internet. I'm sure you'll find that there is more to the world then false standards for political systems and evil Muslim men coming to eat your children.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 01-19-09 at 02:06 AM.
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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you think I give 2 ****s about being banned from this site? Lol. Get a clue. Better yet. Get a map of the internet. I'm sure you'll find that there is more to the world then false standards for political systems and evil Muslim men coming to eat your children.
    Then get your funky non-spellin *** on the rizzoad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What stupidity. By this standard then so is Christianity. Or are you saying the 10 commandments are not prohibitions and laws?
    I thought you begged out of this discussion. Flip flopping again?


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