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Thread: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Why not add the option 'Political Christianity'?
    Last edited by Hatuey; 01-18-09 at 10:48 PM.
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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    This actually points out one of the ways that Islam is superior to Christianity. In Islam you aren't born as a shameful abomination, well, depending on the sect and depending on whether you're born female, but I digress.
    I never used the words "shameful abomination". I said spiritually dead. "Shameful abomination" are your words, not mine.

    Islam is a murderous hateful cult that has contributed nothing positive to civilization. In Islam you are not fully human if you are not a muslim. Muhammed also believed rats are mutant Jews.

    The Christian-Judeo culture has contributed considerable to civilization and culture.

    Please digress some more.
    Last edited by walleye; 01-18-09 at 11:06 PM.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why not add the option 'Political Christianity'?
    Why, Hatuey?

    Why?

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Why, Hatuey?

    Why?
    It would seem to me like the answer the OP(you) is looking for is that Political Islam is bad. That's great and all but seems to me like Political Religion is bad. Basing arguments for laws on the religious beliefs of other people is bad. Not just 'Political Islam is bad'. Men should base their laws and politics on secular thought. Not what some guy who none of us were alive to meet believed.
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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It would seem to me like the answer the OP(you) is looking for is that Political Islam is bad. That's great and all but seems to me like Political Religion is bad. Basing arguments for laws on the religious beliefs of other people is bad. Not just 'Political Islam is bad'. Men should base their laws and politics on secular thought. Not what some guy who none of us were alive to meet believed.
    Christianity is not a political system.

    Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.
    Political Islam is particularly partial to Muslims whereas Christianity doesn't discriminate against non-Christians.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    It seems to me that the founders of the USA who were mostly Christians set up a pretty good system. I wonder what kind of system would have been set up if the USA was founded by muslims.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    This is the fundamental question that we seldom hear asked.

    It's time to get to the heart of this matter.
    Isn't that like asking-

    Which is better?

    A-"getting stabbed in the ass with a hot curling iron."

    B-"eating a bowl of icecream."
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Isn't that like asking-

    Which is better?

    A-"getting stabbed in the ass with a hot curling iron."

    B-"eating a bowl of icecream."
    That's pretty much it, isn't it! What's amazing to me is the people who keep spouting Christianity is as bad as Islam. In my opinion, they're either very ignorant or mentally ill.

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    It seems to me that the founders of the USA who were mostly Christians set up a pretty good system. I wonder what kind of system would have been set up if the USA was founded by muslims.
    I suspect it would be a Muslim Empire much like that which replaced the Hindus and Buddhists of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Most important religion of the Middle East in 7th century was Zoroastrian, not Jewish or Christianity. Zoroastrians are now wiped out from the Middle East. Central Asia was Buddhist; there was no sign of it now. Afghanistan and Pakistan were Hindu-Buddhists, who do not exist there any more. Albania, Bosnia, and Chechnya, Tatarstan, Boskiristan, Azerbaijan in the former Soviet Union became Muslim because of the occupations by the Turkish Empire. Arab Empire did the same in North Africa. Jewish exodus from Palestine had started after the Arabs occupied it. St. Sophia, the most important church for the orthodox Christians in Constantinople (now Istanbul) was converted into a Mosque by the Turkish Empire in the same way Mosques were erected in the three most holy places of the Hindu religion, Ayuddhaya, Mathura and Varanasi by the Mongol (or Mughal) Empire replacing the temples.
    Pope and the Muslims

    And that empire would have spread North to Canada and South from Mexico down to Argentina.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Political Islam or liberal Democracy. Which is better? Why?

    Thank God The Christians got here first.

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