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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Cell Phones while driving should be banned. I have seen people swerving all over the highway while chatting on the cellphone. I have never seen someone do that while eating a cheeseburger.
    How often have you seen someone eating a cheeseburger when driving? When I see someone eating or drinking while they drive, they are often all over the road.
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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    THen simply pull over to the side of the road when you make your call.
    Not always a reasonable decision, if there is a situation on the phone and one at the office.
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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not always a reasonable decision, if there is a situation on the phone and one at the office.
    Not reasonable to pull off to the side of the road while you are talking on your phone? Well, you should do that for the safety of the motorists and other users of the road around you.
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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Why don't you just follow the law instead of blaming the police for enforcing it. Do you think you are somehow better than the cops are?
    I think you saw where I wrote : "I forgot about the new laws" and where i wrote : "Ministry of traffic made those laws to protect us" so dont try to turn the facts upside down.

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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's a matter of degree. If we eliminate automobiles, I guarantee that lives will be saved. Should we eliminate automobiles?
    Of course not. But in today's society you need a vehicle to get to work and to get to people in an emergency quicker. I think that the average person drives up to 1 hr on average to get to work. While yes you could still get to work on time by walking and leaving earlier this still doesn't solve the problem that driving is a necessity in today's world. Goods must still be delivered, how are you going to transport goods without a vehicle? Wagons? Wouldn't that be fun. lol Anyways there are more reasons to allow driving than there are for cell phone use. Like I said the only reasonable reason to use a cell phone while driving is in emergency situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can understand this, and I am not advocating that using one's cell phone for absolutely anything is fine. The optimal driving situation is one where the driver is alone, there are no distractions, and the driver is fully alert. It would be nice if we all strove towards this optimum, but it is not always possible. I certainly support reducing distractions, but elimination is ill-advised and not possible.
    How is it not possible to eliminate cell phone use in a car? It's not really that needed while driving. Except of course in emergency situations. Is there any valid reason as to why a person should be saying "Honey, I love you" or talking about how to land that account at the office while driving with someone that isn't even there?
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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Cell phone bans ON THE ROAD is designed to protect innocent people.
    Again, that's the surrogate story.

    Politicians frequently use "public health" and "for the children" arguments to generate public support for increasing government's reach.

    If the government were genuinely concerned with public health on the road, they would pass legislation which addressed ALL distractions. The fact that they focus only on cell phone use makes me want to investigate the politicians who sponsored the bill to see what financial interests they have in OnStar, BlueTooth and similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Driving on the roads is NOT a right.
    I never said it was, and even if I did it would be a civil right which is subject to federal and state regulation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Banning talking on a cell phone while a motor vehicle is in motion is perfectly reasonable.
    I would agree if it were a part of a greater effort to address driver distractions.

    IMO drivers should have to talk on a cell phone to an instructor while learning how to drive and/or testing on a course. Drivers should have to learn how to operate the vehicle while various distractions are present; from screaming infants to a pet that suddenly get's loose from the carrier, people need to at least practice bringing the car to a stop safely while these hazards are present.

    Drivers should have to at least practice driving with one hand so that they can drive safely if their arm is broken, driving with their left foot in case their right foot is ever injured, with only one eye, etc.

    Anyone convicted of a DUI should lose their license for a year, imo, for life on the second offence and charged with a felony if they continue driving without a license.

    Cell phone use is such a small piece of the picture that focusing only on that is highly suspicious.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-18-09 at 02:06 PM.

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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFungus420 View Post
    I drive a stick-shift.

    I have to take one hand off of the wheel to drive.

    What about operating a window? Turning on the headlights?

    For that matter, how do you make turns without taking a hand off of the wheel?
    I suppose it depends on the car, but I can use my directional w/o taking my hand (singular) off the wheel as the switch is within reach of my fingers.

    My right hand usually sites on the shift stick even though I drive an automatic...old forklift habit. I'm used to having the shifter as a point of reference to orient myself with the equipment I'm operating.

    I was driving forklift long before I was driving a car, so maybe that's why I operate a car better with one hand than with two. When you're busy on a forklift each limb is doing something different and all are working controls at the same time.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-18-09 at 02:02 PM.

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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Again, that's the surrogate story.

    Politicians frequently use "public health" and "for the children" arguments generate public support for increasing government's reach.

    If the government were genuinely concerned with public health on the road, they would pass legislation which addressed ALL distractions. The fact that they focus on cell phone use makes me want to investigate the politicians who sponsored the bill to see what financial interests they have in OnStar, BlueTooth and similar.
    I agree. If I had a dime for every time someone tried to bolster their obviously weak argument with drippy emotional appeals - it's for the sake of the children! - I would buy myself a steak dinner with all those dimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    I put 40K to 50K miles a year on my work vehicle and 2000 to 3000 minutes a month on my cell phone talking to customers as I drive around town. Obviously, these two activities overlap.

    The first and last time I caused an accident was in 1987, long before cell phones were invented, when I ran a stop sign and got broadsided.

    So, tell me again why using a cell phone while driving should be banned?

    Oh, I remember: The state budget is in the red so they have to conjure some new "crimes" into existence so they can balance their budget on the backs of honest workingmen who are just trying to do their jobs. That was it!
    Obviously, banning cell phones is just another scam, no different than the recent "crime" of having a decorative frame around one's license plate. The state's budget is in the red and they are frantic to think of things they can outlaw so they can score some more money off the working people.

    That's all it is. So please don't insult my intelligence with maudlin references to "the children" or "public health" or any of such ****. I know when I'm being scammed.
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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    I agree. If I had a dime for every time someone tried to bolster their obviously weak argument with drippy emotional appeals - it's for the sake of the children! - I would buy myself a steak dinner with all those dimes.

    If Debate Politics had audio, I could accompany the posts in this thread with my violin - at least that would drown out all the sobbing over those poor, innocent children.

    Obviously, banning cell phones is just another scam, no different than the recent "crime" of having a decorative frame around one's license plate. The state's budget is in the red and they are frantic to think of things they can outlaw so they can score some more money off the working people.

    That's all it is. So please don't insult my intelligence with maudlin references to "the children" or "public health" or any of such ****. I know when I'm being scammed.
    It seems that they found a way to pay for national health care without raising taxes much after all

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    Re: Cell Phone while driving

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    How often have you seen someone eating a cheeseburger when driving? When I see someone eating or drinking while they drive, they are often all over the road.
    We agree that reckless driving is something to be avoided.

    The people you mention do not have the skill to eat while driving, and while I agree that people without the skill should not perform the activity, imo any legislation should be focused on increasing their skill.

    After all, they're going to do it anyway, so we may as well educate them so they do it safely.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-18-09 at 02:41 PM.

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