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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Shucks, I was going to reply but Kandahar and OC have done such a good Job, I'll just watch for now!
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    I'd still like to see an argument for outsourcing rather then technology when NAFTA has been estimated since 1993 to have a total job reduction in the US between 250,000 and 525,000. Since 2006 that's about 43,750 losses a year or about 3,645 a month for 12 years.

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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I stated "Outside of cyclical job losses."

    I'd argue that automation kills jobs. Why bother hiring 100 men to dig a trench when one guy at a machine can do the job? Why hire 100 women to operate a telephone system when a machine with a part time technician can do the job? Why hire legal researchers when a database and intern can do it? Technology has always been a great way to reduce labor costs.
    ...and outsource ,to have the technologies replaceing people ,manufactured. I agree 100% with you but close behind is the money whores of Wall Street,corporate leaders,and investors turning their back on WE the PEOPLE. I am very well educated ,and very talented ,and very unemployed ,and very very angree at the money whores. By any other name ....

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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    ...and outsource ,to have the technologies replaceing people ,manufactured. I agree 100% with you but close behind is the money whores of Wall Street,corporate leaders,and investors turning their back on WE the PEOPLE. I am very well educated ,and very talented ,and very unemployed ,and very very angree at the money whores. By any other name ....
    there was a segment on TV news show the other night, saying that a lot of jobs held by those with degrees can be done right out of high school, that the colleges recruit the lesser qualified for money. They promise the kids that a degree will get them more money, but the jobs just are not there.
    Plus, a degree means nothing if you are fat or unattractive...the skinny and pretty get the jobs first....
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    there was a segment on TV news show the other night, saying that a lot of jobs held by those with degrees can be done right out of high school, that the colleges recruit the lesser qualified for money. They promise the kids that a degree will get them more money, but the jobs just are not there.
    Plus, a degree means nothing if you are fat or unattractive...the skinny and pretty get the jobs first....
    I can`t agree more with you,(or the news source you quoted),as I have a hand full of these very same degrees. Dumbass that I am ,I re-enter college ,March 9,in the "astronomicly high paying field" of ,"Software Applications". I want to go to war with the Money Whores,and all they do is sit their fat asses at a computer and rip off America. The war ,if I had my druthers ,would not be on a keyboard. Lock up the money whores,the problem goes away. Unfair trade alone is cripling the US at a rate of hundreds of billions of dollars per qtr. Does anyone care...,I can`t tell if they actually do. Solution,(without killing the money whores),BALANCE TRADE...poof problem solved. The money whores would lose their shirts ,but We the People" would have our jobs back. EDIT: end affirmative action...,"grads get jobs".
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    I can`t agree more with you,(or the news source you quoted),as I have a hand full of these very same degrees. Dumbass that I am ,I re-enter college ,March 9,in the "astronomicly high paying field" of ,"Software Applications". I want to go to war with the Money Whores,and all they do is sit their fat asses at a computer and rip off America. The war ,if I had my druthers ,would not be on a keyboard. Lock up the money whores,the problem goes away. Unfair trade alone is cripling the US at a rate of hundreds of billions of dollars per qtr. Does anyone care...,I can`t tell if they actually do. Solution,(without killing the money whores),BALANCE TRADE...poof problem solved. The money whores would lose their shirts ,but We the People" would have our jobs back. EDIT: end affirmative action...,"grads get jobs".
    The whole attitude of people today that profit making is a bad thing is completely assine. "Lock up the money whores", who exactly are you defining as a "Money Whore". I am partial to a collection of cash myself so would I be in this category? Who should be locked up or killed? It would seem to me, if we lock up or kill the people making profits, failure is imminent.
    As far as you balanced trade concept, no action is going to provide a "poof" problem solved. I believe this is one reason we are having difficulty now. Everyone is looking for that one thing, the "smoking gun", that caused or will fix the problem. It doesn't exist. Many factors went into causing the mess, many need to be considered when resolving the mess. One last thing, If the "Money Whores" lose their shirts, who is going to pay the people for working these jobs that are going to come back here?
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    My thought on the true cause of job loss in the United States is corporate greed.

    Outsourcing outside the United States needs to be outlawed. This will make it impossible for disgusting, greedy, corporate asshats to send American jobs overseas.

    This will keep Americans working and stimulate the economy in the process.
    No, the companies will just move out completely. It's government greed, wrongheaded regulation, and the pathetic public education system that causes jobs losses and lack of new jobs in the US.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    The whole attitude of people today that profit making is a bad thing is completely assine. "Lock up the money whores", who exactly are you defining as a "Money Whore". I am partial to a collection of cash myself so would I be in this category? Who should be locked up or killed? It would seem to me, if we lock up or kill the people making profits, failure is imminent.
    As far as you balanced trade concept, no action is going to provide a "poof" problem solved. I believe this is one reason we are having difficulty now. Everyone is looking for that one thing, the "smoking gun", that caused or will fix the problem. It doesn't exist. Many factors went into causing the mess, many need to be considered when resolving the mess. One last thing, If the "Money Whores" lose their shirts, who is going to pay the people for working these jobs that are going to come back here?
    The money whores he refers to are most likely the financiers whose jobs have nothing to do with creating jobs, but creating wealth for insiders who do nothing more than manipulate the markets. Bill Gates is filthy rich, but he deserves it. Bernie Madoff is, or lived, filthy rich, but he stole it.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The money whores he refers to are most likely the financiers whose jobs have nothing to do with creating jobs, but creating wealth for insiders who do nothing more than manipulate the markets. Bill Gates is filthy rich, but he deserves it. Bernie Madoff is, or lived, filthy rich, but he stole it.
    Greed is stupid. You can only spend so much. What is the point being a billionaire if all you do is hoard it?
    So where would the people that create the jobs get the money to operate without these people?

    and I don't believe that is what he is the only people he is referring to Money whores, but we can wait and see what he says.
    Last edited by Phoenix; 01-18-09 at 03:51 PM.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So where would the people that create the jobs get the money to operate without these people?

    and I don't believe that is what he is the only people he is referring to Money whores, but we can wait and see what he says.
    MONEY WHORE... mostly it just feels good to go on the attack of people who destroyed the economy. The common money whores were the people shot ,beaten,kicked into the gutter and his factory burned,in the late 1800s. Why? His filthy greed in dealing with the American worker of the day...18 hrs on,6...7 days a week,company store pay out,No Fairness...little concern for work conditions. Fairness isn`t a guarantee in this country ,but there are laws which attempt to level the exchange rate (wages) fairness in labor... they call them labor laws...there are departments called labor wage and hour. There is even a little respected law called ,The Fair Trade Act"...seldom respected ,or honored ,because fairness limits profits. A money whore isn`t fair . A money whore see`s the American labor camp as pathetic greedy little pss-ants that cost `corprate` profits. The money whore IS the cause of this round of economic colapse. The MONEY WHORE needs to be subdued at every turn,every step of the way,every dollar...Not controlled , just reminded of the need for fair exchange rates,because when it gets THIS far out of balance , the current situation arises. Banks collapse,Factories close,People can`t buy the cars,homes,food,goods or services and many many more things that compose a functional economy. It certainly is this simple all else is,"baffle and bull ****"...blather to hide the truth,and staying the course of excess,greed,social decay,hatred ,rage...ALL for profit. If none of this makes sense to you,or you just think I`m being fussy , you are probably a money whore. If you should happen to agree ,at least in principle",you are not a money whore( no matter how rich you are),and you are likely to become an important part of the solution ,and I hope richer ,provided you are compliant in the fairness and viability of the people and economy of America. Please...no offense intended. MONEY WHORE is a reference I began useing after become economicly,"not viable", with very great skills and conciderable education. I was ready to die for this country when I enlisted to fight any and every entity which would harm or send this country off into history. Here we are . My first volley is to assign fault and give it a name. Please help us ...WE the PEOPLE are dieing here. Thank You.
    Last edited by Rodney; 01-18-09 at 06:48 PM.

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