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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is neither possible nor practical. If Acme Widgets lays off a worker in their Detroit plant and hires another worker with the same job title in their Shanghai plant, was that job outsourced? What if there's a six-month gap between the layoff and the hiring? What if there's a twelve-month gap? What if the job titles aren't the same, but the job functions are similar?
    Since that plant is in another country -- Yes, it is outsourcing. American companies need to be employing Americans first. PERIOD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Even if one wanted to, it's impossible to point to any individual act and call it "outsourcing." Besides, outsourcing is a great thing for our economy and for the economies of other nations.
    Ummm... No.

    It's a great thing for other counties because they get jobs for their people. Likewise, the American people are going hungry because their jobs are being shipped to some 3rd world ****hole so some corporate cocksucker can save on wages and pocket the difference by way of a bonus.

    No.

    Anything that involves shipping jobs overseas needs to be outlawed. American corporations need to be employing Americans first. PERIOD ... END OF STORY.

    Jobs for Americans --- YES

    Outsourcing = NO

    Greedy Corporate Cocksuckers = NO


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Economies are much stronger when they trade freely with one another and are allowed to allocate their resources efficiently. American workers should seek better training and move to industries where Americans have the competitive advantage, instead of asking the government to shield them from market realities.
    Trade is fine.

    Corporate ****nobs shipping jobs overseas to save money on salaries and benefits is not.

    I advocate an AMERICANS FIRST policy in business. This does not mean that I would choose an American over somebody else if the job in question was in the United States (unless that person was illegal).

    I simply believe that business needs to be barred from causing abject poverty in America by sending jobs overseas.

    American corporations need to be severely punished for outsourcing jobs solely for saving money.

    I realize Republicans and NeoCons will not agree because they are all about big bonuses earned by corporate downsizing.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Outside of cyclical job losses, which do you think is the primary source of job losses:

    Technology (automation)

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    Outsourcing
    Economic instability/weak economic model(cyclical job losses)..

    If the economy was stable it would be possible to sustain a below 3% unemployment level constantly.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Since that plant is in another country -- Yes, it is outsourcing. American companies need to be employing Americans first. PERIOD.



    Ummm... No.

    It's a great thing for other counties because they get jobs for their people. Likewise, the American people are going hungry because their jobs are being shipped to some 3rd world ****hole so some corporate cocksucker can save on wages and pocket the difference by way of a bonus.

    No.

    Anything that involves shipping jobs overseas needs to be outlawed. American corporations need to be employing Americans first. PERIOD ... END OF STORY.

    Jobs for Americans --- YES

    Outsourcing = NO

    Greedy Corporate Cocksuckers = NO





    But you have no problem at all with disgusting, greedy corporate asshats giving American jobs to robots? Should automation be outlawed too?



    Economies are much stronger when they trade freely with one another and are allowed to allocate their resources efficiently. American workers should seek better training and move to industries where Americans have the competitive advantage, instead of asking the government to shield them from market realities.
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    without technology and automation, we could not compete with any country, much less other developed countries....
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    without technology and automation, we could not compete with any country, much less other developed countries....[/quote]

    Depriving Americans of jobs that pay $14.00 per hour so that some 3rd world county employee can make $1.73 each week for the same work is UNACCEPTABLE.

    It needs to be outlawed.

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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post

    Depriving Americans of jobs that pay $14.00 per hour so that some 3rd world county employee can make $1.73 each week for the same work is UNACCEPTABLE.

    It needs to be outlawed.
    There's nothing wrong with outsourcing. It places a burden on the employee to do something beyond work in a factory line but also makes our country rich and common conveniences easily attainable.

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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Depriving Americans of jobs that pay $14.00 per hour so that some 3rd world county employee can make $1.73 each week for the same work is UNACCEPTABLE.

    It needs to be outlawed.
    You probably know this would create a chain reaction which would DEFINITELY collapse the US economy and the world economy?

    Imagine if computers were to be made in the US for example.. A laptop would end up costing something like 25.000 USD, if even it could be made at all.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Depriving Americans of jobs that pay $14.00 per hour so that some 3rd world county employee can make $1.73 each week for the same work is UNACCEPTABLE.

    It needs to be outlawed.
    I think the question being posed here is; how do you feel about automation?
    When we bring all these textile jobs back to the states, should we also mandate all clothing be sewn by hand? That would certainly produce more jobs here in the states, right?
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post

    Depriving Americans of jobs that pay $14.00 per hour so that some 3rd world county employee can make $1.73 each week for the same work is UNACCEPTABLE.

    It needs to be outlawed.
    This makes no sense. Forcing companies to pay Americans high wages results in their firms going bankrupt and them losing their jobs. Furthermore, if you force us to buy their products we end up paying more for inferior goods. This happened after Bush enacted tariffs on steel. Quality went down and prices went up.

    And you clearly ignore how allowing countries to develop creates markets for our goods.

    If an American wants to get paid 10 times as much as a foreign worker, they have to be 10 times as efficient. Welcome to technology.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    You still need people to design, build, and maintain the machines. The tech industry employs millions of people, I seriously doubt that technology results in less jobs.
    You're missing something key. Automated telephone boards resulted in thousands of telephone operators being fired. One backhoe eliminated hundreds of diggers. One long shore man in a crane eliminated thousands of off loaders. Automated payroll systems got rid of plenty of book keepers. The computer annihilated the type writer industry.

    This isn't a discussion about net jobs as we all know that technology can create jobs. It's about whether or not outsourcing rather then technology is a bigger detriment to jobs losses.

    NAFTA cost the US 250,000 jobs in total. That's about the normal amount lost in an average economy in a few months due to normal business factors. How many manual labor jobs did automation destroy overall? Got to be in the hundreds of millions over time.
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    Re: Primary Source of Job Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You're missing something key. Automated telephone boards resulted in thousands of telephone operators being fired. One backhoe eliminated hundreds of diggers. One long shore man in a crane eliminated thousands of off loaders. Automated payroll systems got rid of plenty of book keepers. The computer annihilated the type writer industry.

    This isn't a discussion about net jobs as we all know that technology can create jobs. It's about whether or not outsourcing rather then technology is a bigger detriment to jobs losses.

    NAFTA cost the US 250,000 jobs in total. That's about the normal amount lost in an average economy in a few months due to normal business factors. How many manual labor jobs did automation destroy overall? Got to be in the hundreds of millions over time.
    considering we only have a work force of about a third of our population, just guessing, I would say that automation is a good thing. To produce what we do without machinery is impossible.
    Those Luddites among us who want to go back to the family farm with the chickens and the outhouses, have at it. But do it honestly, no electricity and use an ox team to plow...l.
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