Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

Maximus Zeebra said:

But when you get criticized like this you always draw the "anti-American" card..

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Have you noticed how there are plenty of foreigners on this forum who criticize the United States, yet don't evoke the same reaction that you do? Perhaps this has more to do with the fact that you're an obnoxious douchebag, rather than the substance of your criticism.

Americans don't like it when they get generalized in a way that makes us seem like automotons. We have a diversity of opinions not represented by our governemnt, and most Americans are truly bothered by that.

We are not "allergic" to criticism, we are "allergic" to overgeneralizations about us as though we a simply a cut and paste society with no diversity.

Much like many people in the various European nations are bothered by the broad overgeneralizations of Europeans that some Americans make.

Nobody likes to be pigeonholed by a person who is biased against their nation. If I were to say "Europeans are wishy-washy elitists who love to bend over and inhale deeply of the pungent aroma of their own flatulence while maturbating vigorously to their own sense of self-worth" I would be completely wrong.

That is only the stereotype, and although it is often true that there is a small portion of the population that embodies a stereotype, it is usually not the majority, just a small portion.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Ohh, I guess your choice of words was so poor, that it was easy to just overlook what you wrote and assume what I wrote as an answer, since its so much closer to reality. :mrgreen:

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I guess. If your goal is to totally disregard what was actually said and just troll, then sure.

Kandahar said:

Have you noticed how there are plenty of foreigners on this forum who criticize the United States, yet don't evoke the same reaction that you do? Perhaps this has more to do with the fact that you're an obnoxious douchebag, rather than the substance of your criticism.

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Exactly. Red Dave, Garza UK, PeteEU, and bub all come to mind. That generally post some of the same things you do. The difference is they have a basic understanding of politics, economics, government, media, and international relations. You do not.

RightOfCenter said:

Exactly. Red Dave, Garza UK, PeteEU, and bub all come to mind. That generally post some of the same things you do. The difference is they have a basic understanding of politics, economics, government, media, and international relations. You do not.

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Red Dave, Bub, and Garza I can see.


Pete is only a slight step above Maxitard.

jallman said:

Red Dave, Bub, and Garza I can see.


Pete is only a slight step above Maxitard.

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That's why I put him last. He's generally a bit more rabid than the other three. Still a good poster in my opinion.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I am clearly aware of that, but I was talking about "outside criticism", like you Americans constantly bash anything that isn't complete democracy and capitalism as something bad,

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Because it is?

obviously overlooking the flaws of those models itself.

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Such as?

Especially socialism gets a lot of Americans to bash on it, and communism.. Socialism is fantastic, communism has many positive traits that Americans could learn from..

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Ummm no they don't. Name me a single country that practices 'communism' and hasn't turned it into a ****hole. Cuba, North Korea, China. All nightmares in the political world. No dissidence allowed. No real freedom of speech or unjustified government persecution. The majority of posters here weren't alive to see Cuba go from Capitalist dream to Communist hellhole. However we're seeing it in Venezuela and most of us are already weary of what 'socialism' and 'communism' do to a society. It enslaves them for the good of everyone else. I'm not talking about making something like health care universal. I'm talking about all the other **** that 'communists' do.

But when you get criticized like this you always draw the "anti-American"
card..

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Could be because you are indeed anti-American. Or are we going to pretend like none of us here have read your posts for the last 2 years?

Maximus Zeebra said:

Are Americans "allergic" and get "seizures" if someone mentions a reality about America which isnt positive?

Interesting question, because many Americans use the "victim" card every time someone says someone about America which isn't positive, and always brand it "anti-American", justifiably or unjustifiably. The question really is, do Americans call the "anti-American" "victim" card to easily?

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Your question is inoperative.

Americans don't play the victim card whenever some negative is cited about her. In fact, we have a very healthy segment of our population that seems to have beomce employed in the professional grievance industry blaming the US specifically for x, y, z, and whatever else they can think of.

And not all criticism of America is countered with a charge that citing something not positive about the US is anti-American. In fact, on all of the boards I have posted on, I rarely see such a response.

So your poll is garbage.

You want to try again?

Maximus Zeebra said:

I am clearly aware of that, but I was talking about "outside criticism", like you Americans constantly bash anything that isn't complete democracy and capitalism as something bad, obviously overlooking the flaws of those models itself.
Especially socialism gets a lot of Americans to bash on it, and communism.. Socialism is fantastic, communism has many positive traits that Americans could learn from..

But when you get criticized like this you always draw the "anti-American" card..

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Are you always confused by a single tree in the forest?

Your comments here suggest that you really have no real impressions of Americans, just gross caricatures based on...well, I don't know what you're basing it on.

In the absence of such real impressions then your comments appear to be merely an attempt to slam Americans as if they portray themselves as helpless victims.

Socialism is fantastic? Communism has positive traits? How so and like what?

I mean, looking the results of both no civilized people would permit themselves to be governed in either way. It's no surprise then that socialist and communist societies are totalitarian...

No thanks.

You can keep believing that socialism and communism have some positive attributes, however, those attributes do not overcome the obvious brutal and violent nature of such governance.

What we have in this thread is Maximus Zeebra trying to blame his last 2 years of anti-American Capitalism/pro-European Socialism rhetoric on this forum, on a perceived allergy he believes Americans have to foreign criticism.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that the ONLY proof he has to justify this theory is all those threads in which he was told he was anti-American on this forum. But let's examine the issue in detail shall we?

First the question :

Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

The keywords are in bold. Are we allergic to the realities in America which are negative?

I wonder what would make Zeebra think that but in any case this is easily refuted by the very existence of this forum. Where over the years, thousands of Americans both right and left in the political spectrum have come here to voice their grievances on many American issues. I've kept reading and then somewhere along the way after this little fact was brought up the question changed to it being a matter of outside criticism.

I don't know how we're allergic to outside criticism considering we're members of hundreds of treaties, accords etc etc with other countries that bring in criticism from other nations. Why would a country that is 'allergic' to criticism get so involved with the rest of the world? Why would we put ourselves in the position of being the MOST criticized country on this earth if we are allergic to such criticism? It seems like the reality does not match the beliefs of Zeebra.

And so this brings us to the last spin by Zeebra on the matter. Socialism and Communism being 'anti-American'. Of COURSE Socialism and Communism are anti-American. Name me a single country who's adopted true Socialism and Communism and hasnt been Anti-American or for that matter anti-West? You can't. The cult like followings communist/socialist groups build are pretty much rooted in hate for anything even remotely connected to America and by extension the West. Add to this the anti-American ideas of restricting freedom of speech, government persecution for dissent and complete government choke holds on everything from property rights to the rights of business owners and you have yourself a recipe for all that which is anti-American.

We can play a game and act like none of us here on this forum have read Zeebra rant on and on about how bad America is and how great Europe is even though their problems with racism are more pronounced(France), even though they have Big Brother programs(UK), even though they have bigger immigration problems we do. But we won't. We'll all read this thread for what it is. Maximus Zeebra trying to play the victim card about how mean some Americans in this forum are because they see right through his rhetoric.

jallman said:

I guess. If your goal is to totally disregard what was actually said and just troll, then sure.

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Since its you and I really care to listen to your opinion on non-political issues, then I will surely listen this time.. :roll:

Kandahar said:

Have you noticed how there are plenty of foreigners on this forum who criticize the United States, yet don't evoke the same reaction that you do? Perhaps this has more to do with the fact that you're an obnoxious douchebag, rather than the substance of your criticism.

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I don't care if you guys are sensitive. I only tell the truth.. I do this to people also, if I think they are stupid assholes I rather tell them directly in their face than talk behind their backs like most people(I never do that). Guess that just makes me an honest asshole. So be it.

Everything that I am saying is valid concerns.. I never just say negative stuff about the US just because its negative, or just because I want to say negative stuff about the US.
This is a political forum, you should learn to handle the reality, even if its negative.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Since its you and I really care to listen to your opinion on non-political issues, then I will surely listen this time.. :roll:

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Troll much?

Hatuey said:

Add to this the anti-American ideas of restricting freedom of speech, government persecution for dissent and complete government choke holds on everything from property rights to the rights of business owners and you have yourself a recipe for all that which is anti-American.

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But, but, but...you're missing all the good things that come with socialism and communism...

Little to no political dissent.
The government can take immediate action.
Days-long lines for food staples.
Health care for everyone.

LMAO!!!

Maximus Zeebra trying to play the victim card about how mean some Americans in this forum are because they see right through his rhetoric.

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Word!

Tucker Case said:

Americans don't like it when they get generalized in a way that makes us seem like automotons. We have a diversity of opinions not represented by our governemnt, and most Americans are truly bothered by that.

We are not "allergic" to criticism, we are "allergic" to overgeneralizations about us as though we a simply a cut and paste society with no diversity.

Much like many people in the various European nations are bothered by the broad overgeneralizations of Europeans that some Americans make.

Nobody likes to be pigeonholed by a person who is biased against their nation. If I were to say "Europeans are wishy-washy elitists who love to bend over and inhale deeply of the pungent aroma of their own flatulence while maturbating vigorously to their own sense of self-worth" I would be completely wrong.

That is only the stereotype, and although it is often true that there is a small portion of the population that embodies a stereotype, it is usually not the majority, just a small portion.

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I NEVER draw the "anti-European" card, and sure a LOT of people here whine and tells me how bad socialism is and how much better the US is than France in particular, or Europe. I never draw an "anti-France" card, and those comments are mostly more invalid and anti-French than any of my American comments. My American comments are based on news and perspectives in politics, I am not just saying it because I want to bash America, if I wanted to do that I would just list all the negative things about the US, which I certainly do not.

If I am anti-America, then I am certainly anti-European and anti-Norwegian and anti-French as well, because I have equal opinions on those pathetic political systems as I do the pathetic political system in the US, and the pathetic ways the economies are built and managed. As for Norway, I even have worse opinions about Norwegian politics and governance than the US. The US at least does something right, Norway doesn't do ANYTHING right, the politicians I mean.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I don't care if you guys are sensitive. I only tell the truth..

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No, you're sharing your perception of American attitudes.

Do not pretend otherwise.

I do this to people also, if I think they are stupid assholes I rather tell them directly in their face than talk behind their backs like most people(I never do that). Guess that just makes me an honest asshole. So be it.

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I see, so you're telling us that you have a unique stranglehold on the truth about Americans because you're one of those tough guys who call another person a name while standing in front of them. Color me underwhelmed.

Everything that I am saying is valid concerns..

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But you just said you were speaking the "truth." Now it's merely stating a "concern."

Equivocate, much?

I never just say negative stuff about the US just because its negative, or just because I want to say negative stuff about the US.
This is a political forum, you should learn to handle the reality, even if its negative.

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But you have not established that this "reality" exists?

You've simply appealed to it as though it does exist to ask a rhetorical question that amounts to nothing more than calling Americans slaves to victimhood.

jallman said:

Troll much?

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No? Was I the one who initiated this as a criticism towards someone rather than actually discussing the topic? I could criticize as well, and I am not angry at you at all, thats the truth, even when what you said were a bunch of untrue stuff....

Maximus Zeebra said:

My American comments are based on news and perspectives in politics, I am not just saying it because I want to bash America, if I wanted to do that I would just list all the negative things about the US, which I certainly do not.

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So you fabricate an alleged popular American attitude to..."bash America[ns]." Got it, I guess.

jallman said:

Red Dave, Bub, and Garza I can see.


Pete is only a slight step above Maxitard.

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I have not seen you have any political opinions what so ever. Perhaps a lack of understanding leads to a lack of real political involvement and care?

Pete debates very intelligently, he just have different political opinions than you, same with me. I never said you were a tard, I respect ANY of your opinions, even if I do not agree. You can criticize Europe all you want, and I will still respect it as differ in opinion.. Guess that just makes me a bigger and better man than you..

Maximus Zeebra said:

No? Was I the one who initiated this as a criticism towards someone rather than actually discussing the topic? I could criticize as well, and I am not angry at you at all, thats the truth, even when what you said were a bunch of untrue stuff....

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Well, yes. You "initiated this as a criticism towards someone" the "someone" being "Americans." If it was not intended to be a criticism of Americans for pulling the victim card, well, I am baffled...

Oh yeah, that's right...you were just citing a "concern."

Do you have a habit of lying to yourself?

RightOfCenter said:

Exactly. Red Dave, Garza UK, PeteEU, and bub all come to mind. That generally post some of the same things you do. The difference is they have a basic understanding of politics, economics, government, media, and international relations. You do not.

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Its just because you have no comprehension for my stands, you simply do not understand them perhaps?
I could easily say that you have no understanding of politics, economics, government and media just because I do not agree with you, but yet I keep it respectful and just try to say and debate in a nice way why I do not agree with you.. Guess I am just the bigger better man than you also.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I have notGuess that just makes me a bigger and better man than you..

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Not really. It just means you have a very skewed perception of yourself compared to the feedback you are getting here.

RightOfCenter said:

That's why I put him last. He's generally a bit more rabid than the other three. Still a good poster in my opinion.

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If you actually saw things and had empathy for other perspectives than your own, you would certainly understand that both pete and me have valid points.. But I guess you dont listen to stuff that do not conform with your opinions. That makes you a what?

jallman said:

Not really. It just means you have a very skewed perception of yourself compared to the feedback you are getting here.

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Yeah, because I am European and most of you are Americans? Perhaps you could learn something?
Just because 20 people disagree with me doesnt mean I am wrong.. Nor does it mean a majority in a society is right either.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Yeah, because I am European and most of you are Americans? Perhaps you could learn something?
Just because 20 people disagree with me doesnt mean I am wrong.. Nor does it mean a majority in a society is right either.

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It goes so much deeper than that.