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Thread: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    If I am anti-America, then I am certainly anti-European and anti-Norwegian and anti-French as well, because I have equal opinions on those pathetic political systems as I do the pathetic political system in the US, and the pathetic ways the economies are built and managed.
    Based on following American politics and news for the last 15-20 or so years of my 25 year old life. After all I learned English from the age of 7, and from about the age of 15 I even followed American news and politics from the same sources as you..
    I could mention that the longest line for food stamps is in America..
    Dude, these don't add up. If the socialist-based European political systems are so much better then why did I not feel it necessary to learn their languages at the age of 7?

    Don't get me wrong though, I am all for learning languages, as I've taken years of French, and Russian. I just think that you are not understanding what even Marx saw in Capitalism. Marx believed Capitalism to be horribly hostile and disgusting, but he recognized it as the most powerful form of economic system. His down fall, in ideology, was his underestimation of the capitalist system; as he didn't think it could re-innovate itself whenever times got difficult.

    Its DEFINITELY a socialist concept.. What is "leftist" anyways?
    Most Americans believe in a political ideology line (it should actually be a circle, with left and right connected at the ends, but that is for another debate) To the "Far Left" is Communism (not as Marx had imagined it, but a mixture of Maoism, Leninism, etc.), next is Socialism, followed by Feminism (different than the Feminist movement), then Liberalism, in the middle is Centrist, then Conservatism, Fundamentalism, and finally Fascism (the Far Right).

    This is how it is taught in most introductory college courses. You have to realize however that American Conservatism is much more Liberal than Classical Conservatism (as taught by Hobbes and Burke).

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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Comments like this make place you right in line with the vast majority of Americans, who feel exactly the same way as you do about our government.

    I know I'm in that boat. I hate the way our government has be hijacked by the two-party system as much or more than anyone I know.
    Thats basically most of my anger and grievance with the US, and the results this have brought.

    However, multi party systems are also failing, because they always in the end group up in two more or less permanent sides.. So basically the same problem. Which is why I support a one party state of independents.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    You could say that but you would be wrong since I actually do understand those things. You are a ignorant fool who is so caught up in the idea of the superiority of the EU you constantly attack the current power in every one of your posts.
    You are just completely wrong.. I just think the EU is the most modern and progressive government we have in the west, possibly the world.. That has nothing to do with being a fanboy, because I am certainly skeptical towards it also.
    Looking at the current political systems is like trying to lick a fresh poo in the bottom of the toilet, its just unbearable, because its so horrible.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Dude, these don't add up. If the socialist-based European political systems are so much better then why did I not feel it necessary to learn their languages at the age of 7?
    Why do the British dont learn any languages and come off as the most ignorant pricks in all of Europe?
    I am not saying socialism is so much better alone, but Europe have a large degree of socialism which is good for the people and which have brought us stability in the financial crisis.. The US also have socialism in many forms, but not as strong as Europe. For the US to deny anything which is not clean capitalism and democracy is just wrong, anyone can learn from anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Don't get me wrong though, I am all for learning languages, as I've taken years of French, and Russian. I just think that you are not understanding what even Marx saw in Capitalism. Marx believed Capitalism to be horribly hostile and disgusting, but he recognized it as the most powerful form of economic system. His down fall, in ideology, was his underestimation of the capitalist system; as he didn't think it could re-innovate itself whenever times got difficult.
    Good for you.. I want to start studying Russian too, its a nicely sounding and quite elegant language.

    As for capitalism, hasnt it really failed already? Isnt it failing as we speak? Arent politicians looking for better solutions than "clean capitalism"? I think they are, because a capitalist system will never achieve what a society needs. We dont only need to generate money in the easiest way(be it debt or hard work), we also need to have the most functional society, capitalism just doesnt address this.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Now you are not saying anything worth commenting except.. The reality.. I can say the exact same things about you that you say about me, your so called reality is just your perception and opinions.. Why is this relevant? It isnt.

    Who cares anyways?

    Uh, no you cannot "say the exact same things about you that you say about me" because unlike you I am not falsely characterizing my personal attitudes and perceptions as the truth or as reality.

    I mean, you're the one saying you have the truth and Americans cannot just accept it, hence they pull the victim card...

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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Uh, no you cannot "say the exact same things about you that you say about me" because unlike you I am not falsely characterizing my personal attitudes and perceptions as the truth or as reality.

    I mean, you're the one saying you have the truth and Americans cannot just accept it, hence they pull the victim card...
    Not really..

    Humoring...
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Maximus, you are about as ignorantly anti-American/pro-European as most Americans are ignorantly pro-American. The only difference is the object of your ignorance, which is largely irrelevant. You're just as bad as the people you are trying to criticize.

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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Maximus, you are about as ignorantly anti-American/pro-European as most Americans are ignorantly pro-American. The only difference is the object of your ignorance, which is largely irrelevant. You're just as bad as the people you are trying to criticize.
    Now since your debating has become so pathetic, I actually never care about what you say..
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its DEFINITELY a socialist concept.. What is "leftist" anyways?
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Now since your debating has become so pathetic, I actually never care about what you say..
    Well I'm addressing directly where your "debating" comes from. Your agenda is just on a different side of the same coin as American nationalists.

    When you keep making threads about how America sucks and how Europe is better, you're just begging for someone to call you out on it.

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