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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Being anti-Norwegian is pretty pointless since Norway is... well... Norway.
    I am only anti-Norwegian in the same way you people describe me as anti-American. In reality I am pro-Norwegian and pro-American.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Seriously though, what you are doing in this pol is generalizing Americans, not American politics. You are saying that we are allergic to criticisms of America, and that calling out an anti-American bias from a poster is a "card" that we play.
    I am not generalizing about Americans in the purpose of this thread, it was a general question!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Saying a specific poster is Anti-Norwegian, or Anti-france is not a card to play, it is simply an exposure of their biases.
    By the same criteria many of you use to brand me anti-America, I could easily brand most of you people anti-French.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If someone is unaware of their own biases, this exposure is good for them, because all posters have biases. The one's who are aware of them will expect that card to be played against tehm..
    I am aware of my biases. I am very biased against what America is becoming, compared to what it was 10-20 years ago.

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    Bitching about the fact that you get called anti-American is akin to denying that bias.
    This thread has nothing to do with me, its a general question. I never bitch about the anti-American card, except I have perhaps mentioned it in a few posts where it was used unfairly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If enough people simply deny any arguments you make because they view your posts as anti-American, perhaps that is a sign that your aproach is flawed, not their reception. Perhaps you ARE guilty of over-generalizing America? Maybe that is the causal factor of the response, not some inherent flaw in the posters from the States or a flaw that Americans in general have.
    My approach is definitely flawed. I am terrible at uttering my opinions in the same way I think them, not only written, but also in spoken interaction. I am a thinker, not a writer(nor talker), my writing is pretty much crappy and hastily done in most cases(because of other pressing issues in my life), but in most cases my opinions are about 75% correctly represented by what I write, then minus all the spelling and general grammatical errors I may have made that perhaps also have made it difficult to understand what I am actually saying, or really mean by what I am saying. Remember, English is only a language which fights with Swedish as being my second language(among also a handful of others I have to learn better or keep fluent).

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    If your posts apear to be a constant littany of bashing the US in general, instead of focussing primarily on teh American policies, you will have that stigma attached to you.
    This is an American forum... I am not bashing the US at all. I am just describing another perspective of the reality about it than most of you have, because I follow the US from the outside(and inside), while you guys follow it from the inside. I also follow many other countries on other languages in the same way!


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    I mean, when you title a thread "Why I hate America" you can be assured that people are going to react with a visceral animosity towards you specifically and ignore the points you are attempting to make because of the flawed approach.
    I bet you do not remember the end of that thread... The title was meant to get reactions.. The end said something along the lines of, "but in the end I do not hate America at all"..

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    Right or wrong, this is part and parcel with democracy and the American spirit. We think of ourselves as America, and we're proud of it, even when we are ashamed of our governemnt.
    I usually never criticize Americans in general.. Perhaps I sometimes critisize a group of people at most(like Republicans).. I think in terms of American politics, American economy, American landmass, not just landmass.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is not actually a 'socialist' concept. It is a leftist one. People shouldn't die because they can't afford to be treated.
    Its DEFINITELY a socialist concept.. What is "leftist" anyways?
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Your perspective is not what we find invalid. It's your presentation and obsession with bringing that negative perspective to every discussion.
    I am not the most elegant dancer either...

    I am very bad at explaining my views, for that I truly apologize, that I cannot help. I am more of a thinker than a writer or even talker.. I have never been able to properly talk or write my complex ways of thinking, and have lately come to the conclusions that words and the spoken language is far to poor to even describe thoughts accurately or as grand or refined or perfect as thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Are Americans "allergic" and get "seizures" if someone mentions a reality about America which isnt positive?
    No, but some members of the hive mind seem to think it was wrong to liberate Iraq to comply with UN resolutions, like H32 of 687, which required Iraq not to support terrorism as a condition of cease-fire.

    We are not the only ones guilty of the “lukewarm ‘liberal’ arts of war,” of Oil for Food and “Peace” for Greed on the backs of slaves, using a Wesley Clark “cork in the bottle” for ethnic cleansing of Shiites from self-determination to contain the French Whine in violation of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter.


    Air France is so nice.

    “Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.”

    In various ways we Americans both liberal and otherwise attack our own often, it is the only way we can get changes.

    If you vote where you live, we will listen. If you do not vote where you live, like the majority of the planet earth’s population, and have nothing but attacks on us, we will not care what you say and it will seem like an allergy when your glorious leader speaks.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by DivineComedy View Post
    No, but some members of the hive mind seem to think it was wrong to liberate Iraq to comply with UN resolutions, like H32 of 687, which required Iraq not to support terrorism as a condition of cease-fire.

    We are not the only ones guilty of the “lukewarm ‘liberal’ arts of war,” of Oil for Food and “Peace” for Greed on the backs of slaves, using a Wesley Clark “cork in the bottle” for ethnic cleansing of Shiites from self-determination to contain the French Whine in violation of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter.


    Air France is so nice.

    “Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.”

    In various ways we Americans both liberal and otherwise attack our own often, it is the only way we can get changes.

    If you vote where you live, we will listen. If you do not vote where you live, like the majority of the planet earth’s population, and have nothing but attacks on us, we will not care what you say and it will seem like an allergy when your glorious leader speaks.
    Source that this plane is air france..

    You are anti-French..



    Why do you want on one hand to "comply" with UN article while on the other hand you say the UN is corrupt when you have to follow their conduct?
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am only anti-Norwegian in the same way you people describe me as anti-American. In reality I am pro-Norwegian and pro-American.
    See, I actually believe that you are pro-American, even though some people don't. I think it really is an approach issue.

    And my anti-Norway comment was just a joke. I have a disease that makes me make stupid jokes almost constantly. It's called "An Irish Heritage"


    I am not generalizing about Americans in the purpose of this thread, it was a general question!
    But some people take it as such. That was the point I was trying to make.



    By the same criteria many of you use to brand me anti-America, I could easily brand most of you people anti-French.
    Ahh, you haven't read about my fantasy about being spanked by a French Jewess in another thread!




    I am aware of my biases. I am very biased against what America is becoming, compared to what it was 10-20 years ago.
    That's good that you know your biases, although I didn;t really think you didn;t know them.


    This thread has nothing to do with me, its a general question. I never bitch about the anti-American card, except I have perhaps mentioned it in a few posts where it was used unfairly.
    I think that some people use the card unfairly. I think that simply discounting someone over one's perception of their biases can be a disservice to one's self as well. I think many of your points are salient, although with a decidedly anti-US governemnt spin.

    Now, I ahppen to agree with some of your poitns, and on others I have a strong disagrement.

    I wouldn't play teh "anti-american" card unless I think your post was needlessly anti-American to the point where it overshadowed your points.



    My approach is definitely flawed. I am terrible at uttering my opinions in the same way I think them, not only written, but also in spoken interaction. I am a thinker, not a writer(nor talker), my writing is pretty much crappy and hastily done in most cases(because of other pressing issues in my life), but in most cases my opinions are about 75% correctly represented by what I write, then minus all the spelling and general grammatical errors I may have made that perhaps also have made it difficult to understand what I am actually saying, or really mean by what I am saying. Remember, English is only a language which fights with Swedish as being my second language(among also a handful of others I have to learn better or keep fluent).

    I understand that English is not your primary language. I think that you do a damned good job overall considering, but I also think that you often come across harsher than you might mean to.

    I think this is a causal factor in much of the negativity towards the views you share that you see.

    This is an American forum... I am not bashing the US at all. I am just describing another perspective of the reality about it than most of you have, because I follow the US from the outside(and inside), while you guys follow it from the inside. I also follow many other countries on other languages in the same way!
    I follow multiple news sources from outside the country as well. British, Irish, Italian mostly because I'm not very well versed on other languages, but I do see another perspective from these sources.

    I also check out transaltions of other sources from Asia and Europe as well.

    I think a good few people onthis board do that, but I'm not sure it would be somehting very common in the US in general.

    We still have some of that Isolationsim from our past that lingers, but I think it is eroding as time goes on.


    I bet you do not remember the end of that thread... The title was meant to get reactions.. The end said something along the lines of, "but in the end I do not hate America at all"..
    But that would be an aproach issue.

    People see that thread over and over and they see "I hate America" far more often than they see the final disclaimer.


    I usually never criticize Americans in general.. Perhaps I sometimes critisize a group of people at most(like Republicans).. I think in terms of American politics, American economy, American landmass, not just landmass.
    And the way you think of things is in direct contradiction to the way we look at things. Of the people for the people by the people is how the American public views America. When you think what you are saying is clearly a criticism of the governemtn, our perspective is such that it appears to be a criticism of us as a people.

    It's not saying that your views are wrong, per se, just that you should be aware of how we see things in order to prevent miscomunication due to a difference in relative paradigm.

    And some criticisms of the general US populous are warranted, but Americans are such that they will accept these general criticisms more if they come form within than form an "outside" perspective. We're funny like that. As much as we can be at each others throats, we'll still defend each other to the death.

    And finally, please don't take my comments here as a negative about you. It's just my attempt to help you understand what brings about certain reactions from some people.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ahh, you haven't read about my fantasy about being spanked by a French Jewess in another thread!


    I think I seriously would like a Jewish girl(as wife material) if I am not wrong about their integrity and being(which I don't think I am wrong about).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think many of your points are salient, although with a decidedly anti-US governemnt spin.
    Not a surprise to me, I hate the US government and the way they mismanage things, I think the US people deserve better, a better political system and a better and more stable economy.
    I hate all governments governments more than 50%. Meaning my personal approval rate is not higher than 50% for any government or political system, or economical system, or tax stuff, or whatever government related thing it might be.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I understand that English is not your primary language. I think that you do a damned good job overall considering, but I also think that you often come across harsher than you might mean to.
    people.
    I am a very harsh man!
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Not a surprise to me, I hate the US government and the way they mismanage things, I think the US people deserve better, a better political system and a better and more stable economy.
    Comments like this make place you right in line with the vast majority of Americans, who feel exactly the same way as you do about our government.

    I know I'm in that boat. I hate the way our government has be hijacked by the two-party system as much or more than anyone I know.
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    Re: Are Americans "allergic" to realities about America which are negative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its just because you have no comprehension for my stands, you simply do not understand them perhaps?
    I could easily say that you have no understanding of politics, economics, government and media just because I do not agree with you, but yet I keep it respectful and just try to say and debate in a nice way why I do not agree with you.. Guess I am just the bigger better man than you also.
    You could say that but you would be wrong since I actually do understand those things. You are a ignorant fool who is so caught up in the idea of the superiority of the EU you constantly attack the current power in every one of your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Source that this plane is air france..

    You are anti-French..



    Why do you want on one hand to "comply" with UN article while on the other hand you say the UN is corrupt when you have to follow their conduct?
    Do your own research. If I reposted the proof of who was mayor of Paris when the Shiite head of doodoo book fame was there raising money for the 444 days of glory, for the umpteenth time, someone might call it Spam. I don’t need that. After going to AT school in Memphis and feeling sorry for an Iranian officer who just flunked a test, and being from Georgia and knowing what a puke Jimmy Cotter Pin was, I would not be surprised if it was his plane.

    I love ****ing the French.

    The party I am registered as belonging to did not create the United Nations (of tyrant too), but I bet they all insisted on the Veto power. The Veto means we do not have to follow their conduct, but only the conduct of domestic traitors who would deprive us of the “consent of the governed.” The UN is very useful with the right president in power who would be inclined to un-sign the Rome Treaty, which if ratified as worded without a Veto would have been a deliberate act of betrayal of the Declaration of Independence’s principle of “consent of the governed.”

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