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    Is the following quote reckless in the extreme? Then read my 2008 paper about monetary theory:
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    They do say, "All is fare in love and..."

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Onion Eater, your misrepresentations have already been debunked on another thread.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Onion Eater, your misrepresentations have already been debunked on another thread.
    I get the impression you are infering the IDF doesn't do that, when in fact, they do.

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Just so there's no goose and gander crap...

    This is just disgusting!
    IDF to appeal human shield ban

    The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said

    Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added.
    What's even more disgusting is Israel claiming they need to do this.

    **** like this makes the UN sorry it ever created the state of Israel.

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    I get the impression you are infering the IDF doesn't do that, when in fact, they do.
    No, Billo, I said that his misrepresented assertion was debunked in another thread. Here is the link to the post:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057879964-post638.html

    There is a difference between what he is asserting and what is occurring.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    I am not in favor of this tactic. Civilians in war zones should not be used as shields by anyone. While Hamas certainly loves to use civilians as shields whenever they can, that doesn't excuse the IDF for the same behavior. Obviously war zones are chaotic and its hard to figure where fire is coming from, but deliberately putting civilians in harms way should be discouraged.

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, Billo, I said that his misrepresented assertion was debunked in another thread. Here is the link to the post:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057879964-post638.html

    There is a difference between what he is asserting and what is occurring.
    It depends on how you define "debunk". His article also said...
    ...human rights groups insist the IDF continues to use it, although they acknowledge the number of instances has dropped sharply
    And I posted 3 examples of them doing it in Gaza recently.

    Did someone forget to tell the IDF about the Supreme Court decision?

    And who in their right mind in Israel would protest their banning?
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    It depends on how you define "debunk".
    Indeed.

    For reference, here is my original post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."

    Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.
    And here is the so-called "debunking" of it:

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    See, this is the problem with only posting half the information. You come across as stating a valid position, but upon further examination, your position is faulty and easily dismissible. If you read the article you quote, you would notice that not only has the practice been outlawed by the Israeli Supreme Court, but Israeli commanders have been arrested and suspended for such actions since.

    Of course, Palestinians still use their civilians as human shields, and of course the Palestinian government does nothing to reprimand or consequence them for it. You conveniently forgot to include all of these salient points. Your position on this has now been sufficiently watered down to hold no merit towards your claim.
    In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter.

    You tell me, oh master debunker, was Salah Shehade "hiding behind civilians" when he was assassinated in his own home with a 2000-pound bomb? Rhetorical question: If I went to your home at three in the morning and throw grenades through your windows, killing your entire family, and then appeared in court saying, "It's not my fault that he chose to hide behind civilians," would I skate like Dichter?

    While he received a slap on the wrist for this assassination, Avi Dichter is still a free man and is, in fact, working closely with the US Department of Homeland Security, who is interested in emulating is success at assassinating people without any messy legal complications. That would make their job so much easier, you know!

    "In the international arena, Dichter believes that it is essential to build a network of nations dedicated to counter-terrorism and crime-fighting to confront the emerging network of international terror and crime. In this capacity Minister Dichter has led the warming of professional relations with many partners across the globe including the signing of cooperation agreements with the US Department of Homeland Security as well as with other counterparts from Canada and countries in the European Union." - Wikipedia
    Last edited by Onion Eater; 01-12-09 at 01:36 PM.
    Is the following quote reckless in the extreme? Then read my 2008 paper about monetary theory:
    http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/in...e_collapse.php
    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    No tax raises needed, just have the federal government spend the money into existence.

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

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    At least Israeli soldier's get punished by their own government when they use human shields. Does the Hamas?
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 01-12-09 at 01:48 PM.
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