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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    You got a lot of nerve saying it was these were isolated incidents coming from a nation that is currently in violation of 63 UN resolutions, has illegally maintained a blockade of goods and services from going into Gaza for the last 18 months, which is a war crime, held on to land they seized in a war in violation of international law for the last 42 years and has basically took a **** on the very organization that gave them their nationhood. They constantly target civilians, they refused letting in doctors to Gaza, they've destroyed civilian infrastructure while they irresponsibly blamed Hamas and you say these were isolated events!

    Excuse me, I have to throw up!

    But I'm not surprised coming from you. You're one of the ones that inferred I was talking about all troops being murderer's, when I spoke about a few isolated incidents.

    Funny how that door doesn't swing boths ways, doesn't it?

    Damn billo you didnt know all Militaries use such practices?
    Jeez its in Cover101 right next to "How to kill children for fun".

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As I said, in your other poll, Onion Eater. Disingenous, skewed, misrepresenting, with the sole intention of vilifying Israel. Little or no substance.
    I still don't see how it is "debunked". They're are doing enough of it to be a concern with human rights groups. So you can't say it is an "isolated incident". And judging from all the other war crimes they are doing, it looks like standard practice to me. They've been starving Gaza for 18 months due to their blockade, another war crime.

    You're saying its an isolated incident coming from a nation that practices collective punishment? Get real!

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

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    Nah, just an accurate description of me. I am an asshole.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Damn billo you didnt know all Militaries use such practices?
    Jeez its in Cover101 right next to "How to kill children for fun".
    And TEVO it for halftime later.

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    At least Israeli soldier's get punished by their own government when they use human shields. Does the Hamas?
    Excellent point!

    Plus Isreal citizens don't get radical and lob rockets over!

    Plus Isreal citizens don't brainwash their women and children to go and suicide bomb Palistinian food markets.

    Doesn't Hamas already use their fellow citizens for human shields anyways?

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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Why do you consider every anti-israeli post is ridiculous, must your opinion the one who only exist ?
    There is a difference between a ridiculous anti-Israel post and a legitimate, debatable anti-Israel post. The one I commented on was the former.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    You got a lot of nerve saying it was these were isolated incidents coming from a nation that is currently in violation of 63 UN resolutions, has illegally maintained a blockade of goods and services from going into Gaza for the last 18 months, which is a war crime, held on to land they seized in a war in violation of international law for the last 42 years and has basically took a **** on the very organization that gave them their nationhood. They constantly target civilians, they refused letting in doctors to Gaza, they've destroyed civilian infrastructure while they irresponsibly blamed Hamas and you say these were isolated events!

    Excuse me, I have to throw up!

    But I'm not surprised coming from you. You're one of the ones that inferred I was talking about all troops being murderer's, when I spoke about a few isolated incidents.

    Funny how that door doesn't swing boths ways, doesn't it?
    Completely contradictory statements. You seem to be attaching yourself to a position when it suits you and distancing yourself when it does not. Not a very solid debating tactic at all.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    I still don't see how it is "debunked". They're are doing enough of it to be a concern with human rights groups. So you can't say it is an "isolated incident". And judging from all the other war crimes they are doing, it looks like standard practice to me. They've been starving Gaza for 18 months due to their blockade, another war crime.

    You're saying its an isolated incident coming from a nation that practices collective punishment? Get real!
    Which is it, Billo, isolated or not? You've adhered to each position and flip flopped so often you don't know which side you're on.

    Further, my debunking was around his misrepresentation of the situation. He implied, based on his link, that this was widespread. His link not only showed that it wasn't, but also showed that it was outlawed in 2005 and some members of the IDF who were found to have done this, since, were arrested and suspended. He failed to mention this, disingenuously, misrepresenting the situation. I "corrected" him, debunking the implications of his position.

    I hope that clears things up for you.
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    Re: Is it wrong for the IDF to use human shields?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Do you understand the term Conscription?
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    In January 2002, 51 reserve soldiers and officers signed a "Combat Troops' Letter" or "Combatants' Letter" in which they declared their refusal "to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."

    "The pilots' letter," published on September 24, 2003, was signed by 27 reserve pilots and former pilots already exempt from reserve duty. One of the signatories was a famous former pilot Brigadier General (res.) Yiftah Spector. In their letter, the pilots stated:

    We, veteran and active pilots alike, who served and still serve the state of Israel for long weeks every year, are opposed to carrying out attack orders that are illegal and immoral of the type the state of Israel has been conducting in the territories. We, who were raised to love the state of Israel and contribute to the Zionist enterprise, refuse to take part in Air Force attacks on civilian population centers. We, for whom the Israel Defense Forces and the Air Force are an inalienable part of ourselves, refuse to continue to harm innocent civilians. These actions are illegal and immoral, and are a direct result of the ongoing occupation which is corrupting all of Israeli society. Perpetuation of the occupation is fatally harming the security of the state of Israel and its moral strength.

    The commando’s letter, dated December 2003, was signed by 13 reservists of Sayeret Matkal, an elite commando unit, serving in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (nine commandos in Sayeret Matkal, 2 soldiers who had been removed from reserve duty because of prior refusals to serve there, and 2 additional combatant soldiers). Their letter, addressed to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, stated:

    We shall no longer lend a hand in the occupation of the territories. We shall no longer take part in the deprivation of basic human rights from millions of Palestinians. We shall no longer serve as a shield in the crusade of the settlements. We shall no longer corrupt our moral character in missions of oppression. We shall no longer deny our responsibility as soldiers of the Israeli DEFENSE force.
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