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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    How about I answer that this way?

    I think they ought to make it a law that all campaign contributions should be made anonimously. This will nuetralize the influence all lobby groups have on Washington and level the playing field.
    So you will answer it by basically avoiding the question completely and going on a different tangent?
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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I don't see why any foreign country should be allowed to have lobbying groups. It's circumventing the foreign policy process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I agree. Ban One. Ban All.
    AIPAC, like all lobbying groups, is an American lobbying group. It is comprised of American citizens and is entirely funded by its members. It does not receive any financial support from any foreign government. The fact that they advocate for policies that support Israel doesn't change the fact that they're simply exercising their right to petition the government like all citizens.

    Actual entities of foreign agents DO have to register under the Foreign Agents Act and are restricted in what they can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    How about I answer that this way?

    I think they ought to make it a law that all campaign contributions should be made anonimously. This will nuetralize the influence all lobby groups have on Washington and level the playing field.
    Considering that AIPAC is not a political action committee, and thus doesn't make any campaign contributions, I don't understand what relevance this statement has to this thread.
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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    The AIPAC is a leash made of money that the entire American congress heels too like a pathetic lap dog.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    The AIPAC is a leash made of money that the entire American congress heels too like a pathetic lap dog.
    And you're basing this on....?

    Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

    edit: AIPAC averages a little over $1m per year in lobbying:

    Lobbying Spending Database-American Israel Public Affairs Cmte, 2008 | OpenSecrets

    That doesn't get them anywhere near the top 20, or probably even the top 100.

    Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets
    Last edited by RightinNYC; 01-11-09 at 11:45 PM.
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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    I'm basing it on the Ribicoff Amendment that basically made it illegal for Americans to boycott Israel. As well as our complete subservience to that nasty little nation despite it not serving our interests remotely.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I'm basing it on the Ribicoff Amendment that basically made it illegal for Americans to boycott Israel. As well as our complete subservience to that nasty little nation despite it not serving our interests remotely.
    And you're attributing those things entirely to AIPAC?
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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Considering that AIPAC is not a political action committee, and thus doesn't make any campaign contributions, I don't understand what relevance this statement has to this thread.
    Why else would they have influence with government officials if they didn't contribute to their coffers. No one in government is going to listen to a special interest group without some sort of personal benefit. And I'm not talking about bribery. There is a reason why Washington listens to special interest. And that reason always is based monetarily.

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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    Why else would they have influence with government officials if they didn't contribute to their coffers. No one in government is going to listen to a special interest group without some sort of personal benefit. And I'm not talking about bribery. There is a reason why Washington listens to special interest. And that reason always is based monetarily.
    Uh, what?

    This isn't a matter of opinion or of what seems to make sense to you - it's a matter of fact. AIPAC doesn't make campaign contributions, period. I'm sorry that that doesn't fit into your narrative, but them's the breaks.
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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you will answer it by basically avoiding the question completely and going on a different tangent?
    Alright, have it your way.

    The difference is:
    • American interest groups contacting their elected representatives about issues important this country.
    • Alien groups contacting another country's leaders that DO NOT represent them about issues important to their country.
    I can live with the American lobby groups as being a necessary evil in this country. I don't believe in other nations trying to dilute my Constitutional right to representation by having lobby groups in this country. If they want to influence my leaders, they can do it at a summit meeting.
    Last edited by Billo_Really; 01-12-09 at 12:00 AM.

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    Re: Should AIPAC be outlawed in US?

    Let me put it this way, AIPAC is making the US government more loyal to Israel than it is to the United States.

    AIPAC can go to hell!

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