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    Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time? This is a yes or no poll question.


    I say no you can't because part of patriotism is loyalty to one's own country and that means protecting your nation's sovereignty. There is more to patriotism that saying I support the troops and waving a flag around,those things are meaningless if you are trying to sell this country out to globalism.

    Alot of these republicans today seem to think you are patriot as long as you wave a flag and saying I support the troops and that's it. Selling jobs down the river to China, allowing foreign countries and foreign companies to run your ports and allowing millions of foreign nationals to invade your country is not patriotic and is severely disloyal to your country. Tossing the salad of businessmen with no loyalties to any country and selling your nation's sovereignty down the toilet is about as patriotic as selling nuclear secrets to a country we are at war with.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-09-09 at 09:20 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Can you define Globalism first?
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Can you define Globalism first?
    Since you are merely feigning retardation/complete stupidity I will humor you. Here is a basic definition.

    globalist definition | Dictionary.com
    the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since you are merely feigning retardation/complete stupidity I will humor you. Here is a basic definition.

    globalist definition | Dictionary.com
    the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations.
    That was completely unnecessary. The definition you gave is only one of many, and not the first that came to my mind. I thought more along these lines

    Source [Wiktionary | globalism]
    1. An ideology based on the belief that people, goods and information ought to be able to cross national borders unfettered.
    2. A socio-economic system dedicated to free trade and free access to markets.
    As you can see, the differing definitions can completely change one's answer. By the definition you posted I would say no. By the definition I posted I would say yes
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Is always preserving your country's sovereignty the best thing for your country?

    This seems to be the vital assumption in James's argument yet he provides no evidence to support that it is valid.

    For instance, if global warming is indeed true and we refuse to abide to treaties which limit our emissions and the world's climate goes to Hell resulting in massive extinctions of plants and animals, massive destruction of coastal cities and widespread famine, are we better off? I'd say no. Surrendering some sovereignty is not always the worse outcome for a country. Another example is that of the weapons treaties which have directly reduced the spread of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Did we surrender some sovereignty? Quite a bit. Did we end up better for it? I'd say so. Free trade has required the US to surrender quite a bit of sovereignty. And yet we enjoy as a nation cheaper products with higher quality with free access to sell our goods in other parts of the world. We limit our freedom of action (well, we use to) in deals with other nations to limit their freedoms of actions. Not having Russia throwing its military around all of the time is good for us even as it limits our sovereignty.

    More sovereignty does not equate to better outcomes nor does less sovereignty equate to worse outcomes.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Globalism makes good economic sense, as any economist worth his salt will tell you. The more we eliminate barriers to trade and barriers to immigration, the more free the market becomes, which in turn creates prosperity.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Globalism makes good economic sense, as any economist worth his salt will tell you. The more we eliminate barriers to trade and barriers to immigration, the more free the market becomes, which in turn creates prosperity.
    Wait, what?

    You don't like paying more for inferior goods Kandahar?
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    That was completely unnecessary. The definition you gave is only one of many, and not the first that came to my mind. I thought more along these lines

    Source [Wiktionary | globalism]


    As you can see, the differing definitions can completely change one's answer. By the definition you posted I would say no. By the definition I posted I would say yes
    Precisely the point I was making.
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    It also depends on what version of patriotism you are referring to. Is it the "love for one's country" version or the "you're either with us or against us" version that has been popular as of late?
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    It also depends on what version of patriotism you are referring to. Is it the "love for one's country" version or the "you're either with us or against us" version that has been popular as of late?
    I'll give you 3 guesses: Jamesrage subscribes to which brand of patriotism?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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