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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    I think it's possible to be both yes.

    Reason being is that you can be a nationalist but still want all other nations to cooperate with each other. Which can effect a globalist type of world. Yet have seperate countries to which you can be proud of and still fight for the rights of said nation.

    To an extent this is shown in America along the lines of race. There are many who believe that all races are equal and should be equal under the law. No one race is better or worse than the other. And each are accorded their own history and cultural value. And many people respect each of those histories/cultures. Yet each person within a race can be proud and "for" their race without being racist. The same can be done for Nations.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    You can have a football team whilst still supporting football.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    You can have a football team whilst still supporting football.
    That is the best analogy I've heard of yet!
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Sure you can.

    There are certain things you can preserve, in a nationalistic sense, that don't adversely affect things on a global scale, such as your national language, your own borders, etc...

    But when you talk economically, preserving nationalistic views can be damaging. In a good free market economy, not only do we create new jobs, we get rid of or destroy old ones. When the cost of doing business in our country outpaces what a consumer is willing to pay for a product, the free market dictates that the overhead costs must be reduced, thus it becomes an old job. The free market, is like water, its always on the move and will always take the path of least resistance. The only way to keep the water "fresh" is to allow it to keep moving. If you force the water into a situation where it cannot go anywhere, it becomes stale and full of dangerous bacteria, and eventually, dries up.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    It also depends on what version of patriotism you are referring to. Is it the "love for one's country" version or the "you're either with us or against us" version that has been popular as of late?
    nationalism definition | Dictionary.com

    2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.

    5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

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    . the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    It seems like the consensus is that because globalism benefits our country in the grand scheme of things, it does not come into conflict with the concepts of patriotism or nationalism even if we have to deal with other nations in the process.
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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    If "patriotic" is being obedient and voting for the two Party Socialist Corporate Sponsored system--yes your patriotic to the Global-Internationalists; with that you take a vow to be told on what to like, consume, desire and where and what you will work and live.

    If Patriotic means the Constitution, being a globalist/internationalist isn't Patriotic, and at some degree traitorous.

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
    Nothing wrong with devotion and loyalty to ones country, so long as its not blind devotion and loyalty.

    5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
    There are simply some issues that should be the common interest of all nations IMO. Not everything mind you, but there are some basics that, if we all were to embrace them, things would be much better off. I enjoy the diversity we see around the world that has arisen from different cultures. But there is no reason we should admire the architecture and history of a land, while it currently oppresses its people.


    . the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
    The problem with this, is that it is idealist. If everybody did it, it would work. But the "independent" nations would be at a disadvantage against the ones who work collectively towards a goal. Michael Jordan was great, but even he could not be competitive against 5 players, by himself.
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    Globalism makes good economic sense, as any economist worth his salt will tell you. The more we eliminate barriers to trade and barriers to immigration, the more free the market becomes, which in turn creates prosperity.
    Good economic sense for whom?

    Offshore outsourcing bolsters profit margins for the greed of corporate conglomerates by subverting anti-trust laws.

    Offshore outsourcing diminishes: national self determination, domestic infrastructure, domestic affluence, domestic productivity, domestic earnings, domestic tax base, and therefore innovation and self reliance.

    Offshore outsourcing therefore destroys the spending multiplier (ln) by removing the presence of capital which would be spent a multitude of times to pay for cursory services.

    Immigration?

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    Re: Can you be patriotic and a globalist/internationalist at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It seems like the consensus is that because globalism benefits our country in the grand scheme of things, it does not come into conflict with the concepts of patriotism or nationalism even if we have to deal with other nations in the process.
    If your country stops producing its own goods by outsourcing their manufacturing, doesn't adequately secure their own border, let anyone just come across the border, lets other nations and foreign companies run their ports, lets other countries manufacture weapons for us and many other things then it is obvious that globalism/internationalism conflicts with patriotism/nationalism since it does not benefit us.
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