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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64
From what I know, I would say none of the above because I think the main goal of Islam is to serve/worship God. I could be wrong.

Well, this is extremely foggy. The question here is "does serving God mean carrying out his instruction too?" Consider the history....

Muhammed was a politician. He acted as a mediater between tribes to bring peaceful solution to problems. However, he also spoke out against the established hierarchy and their pagan worship. He was eventually driven out of Mecca, along with some followers who believed in the "one true God." Later, he would march an amassed military full of followers upon Mecca to establish the nation of Islam. Muhammed went on to "bring Islam to the people, but he was quite content with bringing Islam to the immediate vicinity. At the end, Muhammed had been a politician, a protestor, a soldier, a general, and a soveriegn. (This brings me to another thought about the concreted hurdles of seperation of church and state within Islam, but that's another topic.) Back on topic....

But as soon as Muhammed died, the interpretations began and the Caliphates used the guidance of "bring Islam to the people" as military conquest and Islam blew out of the Arabian desert toppling tribes and empires. Move on to the Crusades....and on to a thousand years of Ottoman rule. All mostly about economy and plunder, but "bring Islam to the people" was the spiritual and motivated force for the masses.

"Serving/worshipping God" is a nice goal for the individual Muslim. But "Islam" demonstrated something else.
 
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Islam means "submission" in Arabic
Muslim is "one who submits" to God.

That is all
 
Had Jesus said that he is God, I'm the God, Iam the lord ?

In John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am[1]." Many people make the logical assumption that this is a reference to Exodus 3:14 where God reveals his name to be "I Am" (when he speaks it), or "You Are" (or Yahweh when his people say it). While there appears to be some basic similarity in meaning, the wording of the Greek underlying these verses looks quite different and so it seems unlikely that John intended for us to see a connection between these two verses.[2]

Was "I Am" a way of referring to God? We know that in Judaism in the time of Jesus the Jews had become very conscious of the sacredness of the Divine Name and were afraid to say it publically or even privately (Matt 7:6). For this reason it became common to say "Lord" instead. However, there were other methods used for referring to God besides this ("Power" Matt 26:64, "Heaven" is common in 2 Macc [3]).

Despite the failure of the connection between John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14, it can still be shown that God was known as the "I am" to the Jews, and that they sometimes used this as a way of referring to him. In fact, Psalm 90:2 is almost an exact parallel of John 8:58 - except that mountains are mentioned instead of Abraham, and the words used "You Are" are used instead of "I Am." (Note that only the Greek (LXX) version and not the Hebrew should be used for this comparison. The Hebrew says "You are God" not just "You Are.")

That Jesus' words were a forceful claim to Divinity is immediately apparent - the crowd attempts to stone him. This is something that they would not do if they merely thought he was crazy.

Before Abraham was, I AM
 
God created christianity, Christians follow the bible, bible testaments were made by human.

I believe that the old testaments were from God true until you Tampered those testaments.

Now tell me which part of the new testaments are from God ?

Christians believe the entire New Testament is from God.
 
So you dont think Jesus Christ is the ideal candidate in history to be the son of Satan(rather than son of God)? Who else would be better suited to lead people astray and succeed so hugely with it?

I don't believe Jesus, the good Shepherd, leads anyone astray. I believe he is the Savior of the world. I believe the bible.
 
Like how we do have a "bit" of murdering you do have, its not my problem that its an old testaments or sth. Its still a part of a bible.



you even hadn't bothered yourself to look for the real meaning of this verse, It says "don't take the Christians and Jews as a crown for you", that verse urges Muslims to catch tied to their own religion, this got nothing to do with hatred, and how could Islam tell us to hate Jews and Christians if he told us you can marry, eat and coexist with them peacefully



Same goes to bible, remeber the verses ?

Jesus never condoned violence. Muhammed did. You always seem to forget that.

If the Koran tells Muslims to not hate Christians or Jews then why are there so many who do? Are they just making this stuff up? I don't think so. The Koran says you can coexist with Christians and Jews, but they have to pay a tax to you. That's bull**** in my opinion.

Here is a quote. Do you agree with this verse?

Sura IV.34: “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. God is high, supreme.”
 
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It's not ignorant to believe the Koran is a book of hate and murder. That's a fact. That's the truth. I don't know how else you could interpret "do not make friends with Christians and Jews" to be anything other than hate. When it says to behead the infidel, I don't know how you can take that any way but murder. The muslims running around chopping people's heads off and murdering people are getting it right from their koran. They aren't making this stuff up.
Yeah but what you did was categorize ALL Muslims that way. Which is ... not good. I have many Muslim friends to whom I ask "do you believe in the murder/extermination of all non-Muslims" and they say "definitely not." So, that disproves your argument that all Muslims are how you said they are.




Maybe from my direction, but that's just TruthDetector behind me. Its not from me. :rofl

The muslims who are running around murdering people and chopping heads off got the idea from somewhere. Where did they get it? Tell me.
 
Not really.. All those prophesies you are talking about is just taken out of context and in hurry put up on a web page.

Jesus did maybe also warn about it, but the old testament certainly warns against it several places, against people like Jesus.

Okay. Give me the correct context.
 
Actually its a big ignorant to judge on verses without knowing the real meaning or what the verse aims to, and won't tires yourself to get the real meanings.
Koran contains killing verses, but if you looked whom to kill, Its the Athiests and pagans who tortured , harmed and mocked our prophet, like how the bible said that too.I can categorize those verses as defending ones.

Jesus was tortured, harmed and mocked and murdered. Jesus told his followers to forgive those who were doing it.

People mock Jesus every day in the media, on this site, etc.

People draw a cartoon of Muhammed and you guys go nuts and threaten to kill people.
 
This coming from someone who hasn't even read the Koran.. Amazing..

I have read the Koran. You keep making that assumption and it is an incorrect one.

Let me ask you a question. If you ever get cancer, are you only going to go to any doctor who has had cancer to treat you or are you going to go to a doctor who knows how to treat cancer?
 
Jesus never condoned violence. Muhammed did. You always seem to forget that.
I'll do what you do, and take out of context parts of the Bible:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
Matthew 10:34

Sounds like Jesus was condoning violence there. Me, unlike you however, can read the entire context and can see the metaphorical concept of "sword".
If the Koran tells Muslims to not hate Christians or Jews then why are there so many who do? Are they just making this stuff up? I don't think so. The Koran says you can coexist with Christians and Jews, but they have to pay a tax to you. That's bull**** in my opinion.
Who are these SO MANY? Arabs account for about 14-15% of the entire Muslim population. There are extremists on both sides. The Kataeb Party to name one.
Here is a quote. Do you agree with this verse?

Sura IV.34: “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. God is high, supreme.”
Here is a commentary from the late Ahmed Deedat on your quote:
A Commentary on The Quran, Sura 4 Verse 34 by Dr. Ahmad Shafaat
 
Jesus never condoned violence. Muhammed did.


And this is the argument that should be made.

If we wish to analyze the religions, we have to consider the impact and example of the creators more than just the texts (Bible and Qu'ran). History's Christianity, more often than not, did not reflect on the example of Jesus Christ. However, Islam's history, more often that not, did reflect on Muhammed's life. I believe there is something worth investigating here when we consider the state of the religions today. Is Christianity working towards that Jesus example? Is Islam doing the same in regards to Muhammed?

Tossing out scriptures will not suffice these questions. Because the scriptures from both religions texts tell us many things. But the creators of said religions can get us further into understanding what is going on. When people in the "Christian" world ask..."what would Jesus do?"...they are invoking the example set by Jesus. If people in the Muslim world ask..."what would Muhammed do?"...the answer can be quite confusing.
 
I'll do what you do, and take out of context parts of the Bible:


This type discussion should never be guided by scriptures. This is the first mistake people make when criticizing the religions. The Bible and the Qu'ran speak of peace, love, and war. Glorifying each one. This gets people know where.

But what does get people thinking is to discuss the creators of these religions and the examples that were set. One religion obviously fell off the wagon in history and has been trying to set itself right ever since. The other stayed true.
 
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Just to clarify (and I'm not a Christian), the "sword" Jesus refers to is the word of God. It is a metaphor, not a literal reference to an actual weapon.
 
Just to clarify (and I'm not a Christian), the "sword" Jesus refers to is the word of God. It is a metaphor, not a literal reference to an actual weapon.

Yeah, I said that in my post. Was just trying to get a point across to walleye that he can't seem to comprehend...
 
Yeah, I said that in my post. Was just trying to get a point across to walleye that he can't seem to comprehend...

Whoops, my bad. I see you alluded to that fact later in your post. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

From time to time I get indications there are people who believe the main goal of Islamic domination is to kill or convert us. I have long believed, however, that the true main goal is to captivate us.

This passage from a Front Page Magazine interview with Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) and spokesman for PoliticalIslam.com illustrates the idea well:



The goal, I believe is to captivate us and much of the tax money that goes now to Washington to pay for defense, for example, would instead go to Mecca.

That's how I see it. But what about you?

What do you think?
Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Christianity's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

If we lived in a society where we did not have freedom of choice in religion, and we were ruled by some crazy evangelical christian cult, it would be easy to ask the same thing about Christians.
 
Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Christianity's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

If we lived in a society where we did not have freedom of choice in religion, and we were ruled by some crazy evangelical christian cult, it would be easy to ask the same thing about Christians.

It's clear that a subgroup of Muslims, following religious mandates, are actively orchestrating a takeover of the US and of every nation on Earth and that once they are in the position where we universally recognize the threat great amounts of blood will be shed to try to prevent that domination, if we resist it at all. By then we might have been so thoroughly subverted that resistance would be ineffectually small and random.

But the Koran calls for a great bloodletting before believers are supposed to sue for peace. This permits the conquered to be in the mood for peace and to be grateful for the cessation of hostility.

At that point new rule would take over and it would be essential to the conquerers that we go back to our regular occupations and that we resume our normal way of life, subject to a few changes.

We would then become productive and would pay taxes, as usual, but the new laws would be Sharia based and the taxes we'd pay would go to our Muslim masters.

We would be herded and farmed like cattle.

Our greatest worth to the new Islamic World Order would be as workers.

Dhimmis.

We do not help the new would-be overlords by being dead.

Think about it.

And if you say there aren't enough radical Muslims to effect such a changeover, consider that 150,000 Americans determined the course of a nation of 20,000,000 Iraqis. A determined vanguard with a winning strategy can do it.

And that group exists and is at work as we speak. They are too small in numbers as yet but this will change with our smiling and unwitting approval.
 
And this is the argument that should be made.

If we wish to analyze the religions, we have to consider the impact and example of the creators more than just the texts (Bible and Qu'ran). History's Christianity, more often than not, did not reflect on the example of Jesus Christ. However, Islam's history, more often that not, did reflect on Muhammed's life. I believe there is something worth investigating here when we consider the state of the religions today. Is Christianity working towards that Jesus example? Is Islam doing the same in regards to Muhammed?

Tossing out scriptures will not suffice these questions. Because the scriptures from both religions texts tell us many things. But the creators of said religions can get us further into understanding what is going on. When people in the "Christian" world ask..."what would Jesus do?"...they are invoking the example set by Jesus. If people in the Muslim world ask..."what would Muhammed do?"...the answer can be quite confusing.

To expand on your point...

Muslims are taught they should emulate the example of Muhammad.

Aisha's assertion that Muhammad lived the Qur'an became the basis for Muslims ever since to emulate his example.

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Muhammad and Women | PBS

Jihad is part spiritual and part mental and part physical struggle. But toward what goal?

To become more like the Prophet and to more fully obey the Koran and follow the examples spelled out in Sira and the hadith...for good and bad.
 
Jesus was tortured, harmed and mocked and murdered. Jesus told his followers to forgive those who were doing it.

People mock Jesus every day in the media, on this site, etc.

People draw a cartoon of Muhammed and you guys go nuts and threaten to kill people.

Infact we cant let anybody mock our religion or prophet, its a honor matter.
If you people see your prophet and book beeing mocked and keep quiet, we dont.
 
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"Nowhere Land"
Infact we cant let anybody mock our religion or prophet, its a honor matter.
If you people see your prophet and book beeing mocked and keep quiet, we dont.
Say what you will, but there is no justification in foundation for laws against it outside of the city state of hejaz.
 
Infact we cant let anybody mock our religion or prophet, its a honor matter.
If you people see your prophet and book beeing mocked and keep quiet, we dont.

We are all aware of that. That's why you get laughed at when you say Islam is the religion of peace.
 
Infact we cant let anybody mock our religion or prophet, its a honor matter.
If you people see your prophet and book beeing mocked and keep quiet, we dont.

What shall my punishment be for posting this?

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What shall my punishment be for posting this?

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....'they' have your IP address and have tracked it to your house, and when you return back home don't be surprised when you see your house up in smoke...

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