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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
EgoffTib said:
I will admit, propaganda is pretty amusing.
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Isnt it?..hmm until you read the fine print.
I did notice I didn't see an entry for 2007 but its a small matter.


Comparison of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners
From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)


Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam



* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."


Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov


Jewish and Arab Islam Nobel Prize Winners
 
Shewter said:
Answer my question walleye.

Say Islam is wiped off this planet. Then what belief will be abused? What is the next rise of corrupt power we will have to fight?

Education is key. Crap living conditions, lack of education, and abuse of political/religious power will always turn out radicals, and guess who they're gonna see as the bad guy? People who have not had to endure as they have.
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I agree. Education is the key. The crap living conditions and lack of education is the fault of Islam in my opinion. As long as you make excuses and blame others instead of focusing on the problem then you will continue to have the problem. Islam is the problem.
 
walleye said:
I agree. Education is the key. The crap living conditions and lack of education is the fault of Islam in my opinion. As long as you make excuses and blame others instead of focusing on the problem then you will continue to have the problem. Islam is the problem.
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Islam is not a person that abuses itself for power. PEOPLE do that.

So, once again, you eliminate Islam, and now you've got to look for the next "power" to be abused. Unless we defeat the true root of the problem all we'll end up doing is chasing new phantoms.
 
Shewter said:
Islam is not a person that abuses itself for power. PEOPLE do that.

So, once again, you eliminate Islam, and now you've got to look for the next "power" to be abused. Unless we defeat the true root of the problem all we'll end up doing is chasing new phantoms.
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What is the true root of the problem in your opinion?
 
Tucker Case said:
From the looks of it, I'd have to say: people.
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Exactly. Untill we eradicate ourselves we will never be free of tyranny in any form shape or way.

Think about it Walleye. At what point in history has there NOT been a group of people that manipulate a belief or ideal in order to fulfill their own (often shady) goals?
 
If you people wish to act all politically correct and blame "people" instead of examining and addressing the religions you will always miss the boat.

There is a reason Islam and Christianity has had such violence in its histories. Both religions are tasked with converting and performing "missionary" work. This is why the Crusades exist. Why Islam found its way as far west as Spain and into Europe. Why Christianity led inquisitions and spread to every single colony or "savage" village. Bringing Christianity or Islam to the world has been a historical mission.

Consider Judaism. Other than any violence in the immediate vicinity, there was no grand military march. No sense of assimilation. Being "chosen," there is no instruction to convert or to spread the religion throughout the land.

Considering all three major religions and their histories....are we to conclude that if its merely about blaming "people," that Jews are simply better than the rest? Or do the religions, which happen to have shaped societies for centuries and centuries, have a larger role in regards to what people do than some wish to admit?
 
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walleye said:
I agree. Education is the key. The crap living conditions and lack of education is the fault of Islam in my opinion. As long as you make excuses and blame others instead of focusing on the problem then you will continue to have the problem. Islam is the problem.
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Ok, where did Islam told us to be ignorant ?
I brought before a verse and a testament from our prophets which strongly Urges us to be educated and cultured.
Another thing, where is that Ignorance you are talking about ?
 
GySgt said:
If you people wish to act all politically correct and blame "people" instead of examining and addressing the religions you will always miss the boat.

There is a reason Islam and Christianity has had such violence in its histories. Both religions are tasked with converting and performing "missionary" work. This is why the Crusades exist. Why Islam found its way as far west as Spain and into Europe. Why Christianity led inquisitions and spread to every single colony or "savage" village. Bringing Christianity or Islam to the world has been a historical mission.

Consider Judaism. Other than any violence in the immediate vicinity, there was no grand military march. No sense of assimilation. Being "chosen," there is no instruction to convert or to spread the religion throughout the land.

Considering all three major religions and their histories....are we to conclude that if its merely about blaming "people," that Jews are simply better than the rest? Or do the religions, which happen to have shaped societies for centuries and centuries, have a larger role in regards to what people do than some wish to admit?
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I agree.

That being said, people created Christianity, people created Islam. The blame does not need to fall on an idea. The blame needs to fall on those who abuse their status in society in order to further their own goals.
 
GySgt said:
If you people wish to act all politically correct and blame "people" instead of examining and addressing the religions you will always miss the boat.

There is a reason Islam and Christianity has had such violence in its histories. Both religions are tasked with converting and performing "missionary" work. This is why the Crusades exist. Why Islam found its way as far west as Spain and into Europe. Why Christianity led inquisitions and spread to every single colony or "savage" village. Bringing Christianity or Islam to the world has been a historical mission.

Consider Judaism. Other than any violence in the immediate vicinity, there was no grand military march. No sense of assimilation. Being "chosen," there is no instruction to convert or to spread the religion throughout the land.

Considering all three major religions and their histories....are we to conclude that if its merely about blaming "people," that Jews are simply better than the rest? Or do the religions, which happen to have shaped societies for centuries and centuries, have a larger role in regards to what people do than some wish to admit?
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The best will always be hazzled by the ones who aren't best.
 
Shewter said:
I agree.

That being said, people created Christianity, people created Islam. The blame does not need to fall on an idea. The blame needs to fall on those who abuse their status in society in order to further their own goals.
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God created Christianity. A man created Islam.
 
walleye said:
God created Christianity. A man created Islam.
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:rofl:

Did you know that it was actually Christ's followers who created Christianity?
 
Degreez said:
cherokee,

What important subject is not awarded a Nobel Prize?

Here's a hint bigger than that list you posted:
Mathematics in medieval Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Last I checked Nobel Prizes were awarded to new discoveries. While we are on the topic, do you think that we should retrospectively hand out Nobel Prizes to other past scientists?

Secondly what kind of soceity that allegedly valued education and free thought and scientific inquiry allows such a legacy to fall into disrepute? And to top that off, what kind of great free thinking society then allows infidels to march on and overtake in terms of scientific achievment?

Thirdly what kind of society that allows free thought and inquiry would burn the great library of Alexandria?

Forthly, we need to acknowledge the discoveries of Arab scientists during the Middle Ages, their discoveries and advancement of Roman and Greek technology is of great HISTORICAL importance to the modern world. But we must put these discoveries and achievements in context.

Many of the great scientists of the Golden Age, faced battles with the religious authorities. Theorhetical science that challenged religious orthodoxy was viewed with suspiscion by the religious authorities. Thus the Golden Age of Islam place great limitations on free thought and discovery. Once the practical discoveries that helped the Ulema expand, were seen as no longer useful or challenging Allah or the Koran, we see a historical decline in the technological advancement of the Caphalite.

Technology and science are about advancement, progress and free inquiry. You stiffle this and you stiffle the development of society. This Pan-Arab pride in the Golden Age harks of revisionism and superiority complex, but unfortunately it masks over the Arab world's failure to maintain this alleged culture of free thought.

The ultimate paradox is that the rise of conservative or absolutist Islam throughout the Muslim world, is advocated as the answer to Muslims malaise compared to the West. But it is this very rejection of rational and emperical thought that led the Muslim world into decline in the first place.

Anyway back to my point. The historical existance of scientific discoveries does not meet the requirement of a Nobel prize. Secondly such a demise in scientific enquiry actually demostrates the pitfalls of rejecting empirical, rational and free thought. If this is so, I invite fellow debaters to post, information relating to current scientific achievements by Arabs and Muslims in particular; that has resulted in NEW knowlegde or has increased mankind's knowledge, or alternatively any new cutting edge technologies created by Arab or Muslim scholars, scientists or engineers, that will benefit mankind.
 
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