So when are you converting to Islam? You're such an apologist, you might as well.
Sorry but your claims were in relation to reality. These claims were not just hypotheticals or metaphysical, you were suggesting that in the real world that certain people act in certain way due to whether or not they believe in god. The conversation is no longer theoretical, but rather aplied......
You made claims about observations you have seen in the real world. Once you cross that line, it is no longer opinion but rather you are making claims which can be asserted or refuted. It's that simple........
So please don't play 'I was only making opinion', when your observations where based on your experience. That is the physical and real, and not the metaphysical of theoretical.
Secondly, you have not explained why sodomy is the equivalent of cheating, lying or stealing. You have mentioned a phobia of things 'dirty', but you have failed to connect the dots by explaining why something is immoral when it is dirty.....
So Maximus, are all of the people that do dirty jobs immoral, because they have to deal with dirty situations? Or do those people provide society with a certain amount utility, while sodomy doesn't?
If you talk about experiences or what you have seen, we are no longer talking about the theoretical, but rather the real, natural and measurable world. So yes science does come into this, if you are making claims about this world as opposed to the theoretical or hypothetical; empirical forms of debate enter into the equation. Otherwise I might as well say that I believe the sky is green......
Lastly you confuse my empirical analysis of your argument with Freudian defensiveness... Why do you assume that anyone that challenges your un-substantiated claims about homosexuals is therefore gay?
Basically I have challenged your claims about homosexuality, and the best you can do is talk about dirtiness or suggest that I am gay....... I am still waiting for empirical defense of your claims about the real world as opposed to dodging of the issue.
But hay opinions are cool.... Did I tell you that moon cheese tends to make people nicer compared to non-moon cheese eating people?????? Ohhhhhh it's not a claim Maximus, its just an opinion.........
Do you understand the difference between personal and subjective, versus objective/causative/probative?
So why does atheism make people more immoral or less likely to have a moral code than a religious person?
And why is sodomy immoral because it is dirty? That is, why do you compare anal sex to cheating, theft, lying or greed?
I await your ENLIGHTENED answer.
You do know that Muslims are obliged, "to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah. Allah has created all living beings in order to obey him and worship him,” don't you?
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Prostrating oneself before mecca is allegiance to the preservation of the patriarchal lineage of ishmael.The Sun, what a wonderful piece of trash.
I am not obligated to do nothing but my 5 pillars towards God.
"Genetic Religion"
Prostrating oneself before mecca is allegiance to the preservation of the patriarchal lineage of ishmael.
Abraham had two sons, isaac and ishmael, the reason muhammad referred to himself as the last prophet (abrahamic) is a matter of deduction, a process of elimination.Hajj is one of the 5 pillars so ..
How do you figure?
Many of them Avoid getting into religious conversations, thats where I got my Idea .
But there is no problem as long as they dont show hatred or spread their Ideas among society.
Are you serious ?..ever ?Yeah, and that Muslims will be rulers and all westerners have to submit to them and be their slaves, this is what will happen. Bhkad has predicted it alongside all his extreme right friends in Europe and the far right Americans.
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Many of them Avoid getting into religious conversations, thats where I got my Idea .
But there is no problem as long as they dont show hatred or spread their Ideas among society.
Yeah, that is what I thought:
“...if I see an article about Christians being put on trial in a certain country for just simply spreading the word, carrying out their religion, and the accusers themselves make no accusation of the Christians using force, oppression or persecution I will have to look in the Koran to see what it says about forcing religion on others. I would like to know where in the Koran it says that Christians can’t practice their religion, which requires the spreading (not by force) of the word, because if Islam is afraid of the Christian word then Islam is insecure in it‘s beliefs? By understanding the word I can know whether the Islamic country allegedly doing the persecution is following their religion, which can’t be a true religion if it must be forced (a faith is not a faith if it must be forced), and whether those being persecuted were violating their social contract, and then can judge how my country should respond if it‘s citizens are involved.” (posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM) {Bold emphasis added for those without a faith, whose handle is not the firmest}
Are you serious ?..ever ?
The last thing any sane man wants is to have anyone "rule" him...particularly a Muslim.
These are good reasons for the popularity of Zen-Buddhism..
I consider myself to be a Deist.....to hell with religion..
Yeah because the majority is always right.:doh
Unfortunately, Politics and media nowadays are the ones who ruined the Image of our religion.
Thanks GOD you admit it.
Thanks GOD you admit it.
Many of them Avoid getting into religious conversations, thats where I got my Idea .
But there is no problem as long as they dont show hatred or spread their Ideas among society.
I disagree. Most atheists I know are eager to hop into a religious debate.
I suspect a Muslim initiated the poll because the obvious answer is not in the options....."all of the above".
Ok, here is my story :
I Had a smart friend his name is Haitham, he got the first above all high schools the last year with 99.7% .
Anyway this isnt the issue,,,, once he came and introduced me to a friend "Abdul-Aziz" and told me that his new friend is his soul-twin, he thinks in everything like how he (Haitham) thinks, He is smart like how he is, he is well-cultured like him .... I told him : "then Iam history after your new friend" and both of us laughed..
I dont see Haitham too much because we are'nt in the same College...
Once he came to my work place asking me for a time-out, his face was a mix of worry and confusion.. we went to have dinner and then he told me that his soul-twin "Abdul-Aziz" is Athiest, and he dont know what to do.
"Abdul-Aziz" was in vacation to Vienna, He told Haitham before he travels to think about their relationship subject until he comes.
I talked then to Abdul-Aziz and he told me that he wont get in to any Discussions about religion, "Because I'll quit" he told me .
I hadn't talked to Haitham till now, but I know that he is that kind of people who would never start with a breakup for any reason.
But what did he meant by "I'll quit" ?
Actually I took it as a joke and laughed .
Your suspicion would be an incorrect one.
Okay. My opinion is still the same...."all of the above".