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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64
Yup, im quietly waiting for the day we over throw the west and lock them up in chains :roll:

You've said you are not unreasonable. But you do seem to be forgetful.

I told you before that the key to the campaign is demography. Having more babies. I said that Muslims were having more children than non-Muslims and you asked "whose fault is that?"

Then you brought up the fact that paying taxes as a Dhimmi would be no different than paying the taxes we presently do.

So you know better than to use that strawman ploy with me.

No one is talking about locking anyone up in chains as part of the captivation. It is more likely to be a change in our laws. A leeetle bit at a time until we look up and notice that we no longer have the same freedom we once had.

Then, once we recognize that things have gone too far, that's when the violence will begin.

But by then it will be too late. There will begin a war on Muslims.

We need to prevent the War on Muslims in America before it happens.

Otherwise we ALL lose.
 
That Muslims were a growing minority and that unreasonable fear led to nationalism and far right extremism like we are seeing in the US and Europe today, which in the end led to genocide of Muslims, and will most likely lead to the same in Europe and the US if things continue like they are with more and more hatred and unreasonable fear towards Muslims.

Thank you. That's what I believed you meant but wasn't sure.

And that is what we need to prevent in America.
 
Thank you. That's what I believed you meant but wasn't sure.

And that is what we need to prevent in America.

Attitudes like yours towards Muslims, shown on the forum will rather make for a genocide than prevent it, if I am not completely wrong about your opinions. :confused:
 
Attitudes like yours towards Muslims, shown on the forum will rather make for a genocide than prevent it, if I am not completely wrong about your opinions. :confused:

As the Koran, Sira and Hadith spend more than 50% of their total instructing Muslims in how to deal with kafirs:

As mentioned earlier, the Koran has 61% of its text devoted to the kafir. The Sira (Mohammed’s biography) has about 75% of its text devoted to the kafir and jihad.

Political Islam // The 5 Principles

I think it only prudent to try to be aware of what is in store for me and mine.

I like this mission statement:

Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.

Our mission is to educate the world about political Islam, its founder Mohammed, his political doctrine and his god, Allah.

Political Islam // Mission | Educating the World | Islamic Doctrine

If we can gain enlightenment from recent history it is the following.

President Bush's words to calm and assure us and his Patriot Act saved Muslim lives after 9/11. Because the American people saw that the government was taking stern measures to keep us safe it thereby prevented more vigilantism than occurred in America.

The violence might take place because too few Americans are aware of what is happening and when they wake up and find themselves in a situation they can't maneuver out of they will resort to violence.

It's what we do.

And by waking people up it lessens the likelihood that violence will ever be seen as the only resort of a desperate and frightened America.

Muslims should join with me in spreading the word. Unless you really ARE with the loonies.
 
But how would we prevent it?

Each one teach one.

Everyone should read from this website

Political Islam

And then turn someone else onto it.

I just satisfied my goal. Now you tell someone else to do the same.

That's it.

When we are surprised or shocked we act impulsively and violently.

The way things are going along in America today talking about Islam is a social taboo. It should be as normal and natural as talking about Jews or Blacks or Native Americans or Hispanics. But it isn't.

And for that reason people think there is no problem. And right now there isn't one. But that is why it is best to work on awareness. Because if things keep going along and Islam keeps making progress in this country and everything remains placid, one day there may be something that causes Americans to wake up. They may wake up and see things as they really are and that may be shocking to them. And the first response will be violence.

To prevent that shock and surprise we just need to be aware of political Islam.

Education.

Just as Sayyid Quttb sought to educate in the 1950's and 1960's until his execution...just as the Saudi government was forced to fund a program of radical Islamist education throughout the world, education is the key to preventing violence.

The Evil of Good Deeds and Good Thoughts

After the Mumbai jihad there was a response of "Do good deeds." The Jews of Chabad (the sect that had its members tortured to death) asked for Jews to do "a mitzvah," good works. A yoga group that had some of its members killed believes that love will triumph. Then Deepak Chopra weighed in with his "think good thoughts" campaign. Chopra's effort has the "magic" of if a million people pledge to think good thoughts the world will change for peace. All of these efforts may be summarized by one phrase: Be Nice.

I have nothing against being nice. Who does? But is that enough? What happened at Mumbai was evil. Any response must be aimed at preventing it from happening again. How can Being Nice prevent evil from recurring?

There is a strain of New Age, hippy, pacifist, and utopian thought which believes just that. Cue the Beatles, All We Need is Love. The Be Nice theory raises a question: if good deeds and good thoughts will prevent another Mumbai, then does that mean that the rabbi and his pregnant wife, who were tortured to death, had just not done enough good works? Is a 9-year-old girl who is raped just not nice enough?

Pacifists say that you should never respond to violence, because that just creates more violence. We should never use pain to correct. War is never the answer. These theories don't seem to take into account that learning how to avoid pain usually consists in remembering what led to the pain, so we don't do that again. Pain can and will change people's behavior. Pain works.

But, the first step in resisting jihad is not violence or war, but education.

Political Islam

Concludes at the link.

Political Islam

Education.

Tell one other person to do the same.
 
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Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.

Really? Sounds a bit pessimistic, considering most level headed Muslims denounce the claims of Jihad and all of that nonsense.

And, btw, I'm quite tolerant of Muslims.

I only have your posts from which I can observe and then come to a conclusion.
 
As the Koran, Sira and Hadith spend more than 50% of their total instructing Muslims in how to deal with kafirs:



I think it only prudent to try to be aware of what is in store for me and mine.

I like this mission statement:



If we can gain enlightenment from recent history it is the following.

President Bush's words to calm and assure us and his Patriot Act saved Muslim lives after 9/11. Because the American people saw that the government was taking stern measures to keep us safe it thereby prevented more vigilantism than occurred in America.

The violence might take place because too few Americans are aware of what is happening and when they wake up and find themselves in a situation they can't maneuver out of they will resort to violence.

It's what we do.

And by waking people up it lessens the likelihood that violence will ever be seen as the only resort of a desperate and frightened America.

Muslims should join with me in spreading the word. Unless you really ARE with the loonies.

I beg to differ.. I have actually read the whole Koran.. Although I find some parts of it like you describe, those are only a tiny fraction of some chapters, aimed towards Israel, Jews and Christianity..

You are just completely wrong in your post.. Have you actually ever read the Koran? Most of the Koran described "good morals" and how you "ought to live". 30% of it is dedicated to the books of moses and praises those beliefs described in those books, and makes summaries of them.
 
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Really? Sounds a bit pessimistic, considering most level headed Muslims denounce the claims of Jihad and all of that nonsense.

During the worst of the war in Iraq most Americans were against it. Most elected officials were against it. The media was overwhelmingly against it. And yet in a nation of 300 Million people only 200,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines were able to win a war in a nation of 25 Million.

There are more than 300 million Islamists in the world out of 1.5 Billion Muslims.

Let there be no mistake that Islamic fundamentalists in and out of government control or threaten to control several states in the world. And violent as well as non-violent progress is being attempted almost everywhere else.

I only have your posts from which I can observe and then come to a conclusion.

Tell everyone what it feels like to be in President Bush's situation where some of your indicators lead you to one conclusion but your other intelligence sources tell you otherwise.

Then tell us which way to err.
 
This forum needs a moderator !
I come here for intelligent conversation; and instead this silliness is posted..
If its not too above your head, why why not return to the original posters questions and poll ??
I have and I was.

Get a sense of humor!
 
I hadn't seen that post. Usually I exercise the OP's prerogative in my threads to keep things in some degree of order. And when that isn't possible I rat out the offender(s).

Please accept my apology.
Where's mine?
 
I beg to differ.. I have actually read the whole Koran.. Although I find some parts of it like you describe, those are only a tiny fraction of some chapters, aimed towards Israel, Jews and Christianity..

You are just completely wrong in your post.. Have you actually ever read the Koran? Most of the Koran described "good morals" and how you "ought to live". 30% of it is dedicated to the books of moses and praises those beliefs described in those books, and makes summaries of them.

That is an opinion you'd no doubt share with others here. And it is one you share with us for less mercenary reasons than the website owners I refer to but your dedication to your stated POV is no more and no less impassioned than theirs.
 
And what did the terrorists in Mumbai do to them to be attacked?

And what did the Pakistanis do to them to be attacked?

And what did the Egyptians do to them to be attacked?

The aggression was always 'prompted' by something.

And who are THEY anyways?

Are they the sovereign governments?

No. They are the ones you all say are the loonies.

But then in your next breath you say we should kiss their asses.

You should get your stories straight or else you will sound like hypocrites.

:poke
Give me the post where my "breath" said we should kiss some ass!
 
Give me the post where my "breath" said we should kiss some ass!

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you. But thanks for insinuating yourself into the accusation. I'll look at your future posts with an eye to nailing you if that will make you happy. But if you turn into an attention whore I'll put you on ignore.

Deal?
 
Sorry, I wasn't referring to you. But thanks for insinuating yourself into the accusation. I'll look at your future posts with an eye to nailing you if that will make you happy. But if you turn into an attention whore I'll put you on ignore.

Deal?
The day you see me kissing ass, will be the day you see Jews for Jesus and Christian's against Christ!
 
There are more than 300 million Islamists in the world out of 1.5 Billion Muslims.

Islamists? When I put that word in my browser I get a "spelling mistake, red line under it"..

Islam is the religion, Muslims are the people of that religion. You aren't exactly showing tolerance in your recent posts, like you claimed in another one.

I am not Muslim btw, but I read it because its an important part of understanding true Islam, not the Islam described in the western media and on the internet hate sites.

That is an opinion you'd no doubt share with others here. And it is one you share with us for less mercenary reasons than the website owners I refer to but your dedication to your stated POV is no more and no less impassioned than theirs.

I have also read most of the bible. I consider myself "independent moderate religious" :lol:

Ps. I admire the bible(old testament) more than the Koran, by a very large margin.
 
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Yup, im quietly waiting for the day we over throw the west and lock them up in chains :roll:

That is what I thought. Waiting for critical mass. As they said:

“Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)’; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.” World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

The same religion I was discussing with a Taliban defender prior 9/11, whose interpretation of the “no compulsion in religion” verse was radically different than the one on most “good” Muslim sites aimed at us.

The bloody mujahideen link to Azzam was not there days before 9/11:

Asmaa's Islamic research center

Untitled

Yeah, go discover. I already did on 911, on September 11, 2001, on Azzam, and on the message board the phrase in the link lead me too where your beloved Moslem religion was saying to kill us not because of bombs but because of predestination and the mathematical perfection of the Koran where “no compulsion in religion” means we are doomed if we do not stop being Christians.

“We learned about Abu-Jihaad in December 2003, when British authorities raided the apartment of Babar Ahmad, a Briton later charged with raising money for al Qaeda through a London-based organization called Azzam Publications. Its former website, www.azzam.com, was hosted on servers in Connecticut.” FBI — Abu-Jihaad Conviction - Press Room - Headline Archives 03-10-08

I learned about the real Islam from Azzam. Do you know them?

“hey there,
i am here in this forum from now on. we can post back and forth regarding religion. if you need any info in the real islam and not the media's version, then i will be glad to provide you with it. that is if i am capable. i will search for an online english version of the quraan and post the link here, if for some reason i dont come too often to this board, email me and provide a link for me to get back here lol i may have lost it!
my email address is:” (muslim New Member Member # 1324 posted August 30, 2001 03:50 PM)

Being nice:
“Muslim if we keep the quotes from religious texts short in any other topic we won’t get in trouble with the Webmaster and will be able to get to the bottom of our misunderstandings, but since you have moved here we can stay here if you please. I myself can’t understand anyone, like some on this board, who are so insecure in their beliefs or lack there of as to be offended by others simple words.” (posted by me August 30, 2001 10:35 PM)

{verses, verses, verses} “It just looks to me like chastisement, and death for nonbelievers here on earth is what is being advocated. If I am interpreting this correctly, that’s not nice. These could easy be misinterpreted, it that is what I am doing but I really don’t think so, to justify terrorist fanatics. (posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM)

“i will write more tomorrow when i have a better chance to read your post in it's entirity.
muslim.” (posted August 31, 2001 11:22 PM)

“You will see that some important questions of mine were never answered.

‘Let slip the dogs of war!’” (posted September 11, 2001 05:11 PM)

Just joking, just joking.

*****

“Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?”

Which Islam, the one the Saudi Arabian Taliban defender told me about, the ones on Azzam‘s favorite message boards I was surfing on September 11, 2001, or some other one?
 

Actually the link is nothing more than a propaganda, because KAFIRS aren't the "non-Muslims" , "non-Muslims" are called "DHIMMIS" they got all the rights Muslims have in the same country, KAFIRS are the "Athiests" who shows hatred to your religion and to God , this is unecceptable in Islam.

The Site's main server is in America, NewYork .
There is a big possibility Its made by hatred non-Muslims .
 
No one is talking about locking anyone up in chains as part of the captivation. It is more likely to be a change in our laws. A leeetle bit at a time until we look up and notice that we no longer have the same freedom we once had.

Then, once we recognize that things have gone too far, that's when the violence will begin.

But by then it will be too late. There will begin a war on Muslims.

We need to prevent the War on Muslims in America before it happens.

Otherwise we ALL lose.

There will be no such violence within Europe at least, i cannot vouch the same for US. Hatred does have a way to cloud ones common sense. Muslims is and always will be a minority and a pretty weak one at that seeing the positions of power Muslims hold is small.

I don't care about America, i have the feeling any hatred will begin to be aimed at Hispanics who will be the majority before targeted at Muslims who are a minority.
 
Actually the link is nothing more than a propaganda, because KAFIRS aren't the "non-Muslims" , "non-Muslims" are called "DHIMMIS" they got all the rights Muslims have in the same country, KAFIRS are the "Athiests" who shows hatred to your religion and to God , this is unecceptable in Islam.

The Site's main server is in America, NewYork .
There is a big possibility Its made by hatred non-Muslims .

Well that little explanation leaves atheists like myself feeling all warm and fuzzy. Theologically sanctioned oppression against non-believers. That's sweet isn't it?
 
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By the way, what is so special about New York? Does it have more Islam-haters per capital than any other city? Interesting theory indeed......
 
By the way, what is so special about New York? Does it have more Islam-haters per capital than any other city? Interesting theory indeed......

What about Dubai then? Kind of breaks with yout "theory"...

As long as you arent a liar with bad morals grounds, who talk behind peoples backs and so on, then you are an ok atheist, but most atheists and Christians(led astray) do all those things constantly, so clearly religious folks will hate you for being morons.
 
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