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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64
Islam and the followers are too diverse to have a specific goal.

Yeah, that.

Islam isn't a shady guy with a master plan in an alleyway. It's one element of how billions of individuals across the world think of themselves. For some it is a large part of their being, for other it is small. For some it justifies genocide, for other pacifism. The Islamic world is not a hivemind. These are individuals.
 
I wasn't aware that Islam was a monolithic entity.

Could anyone provide evidence that Islam is in fact such an entity with singular goals that all of the sects work towards?

Or is the OP just being stupid?
 
I wasn't aware that Islam was a monolithic entity.

Could anyone provide evidence that Islam is in fact such an entity with singular goals that all of the sects work towards?

Or is the OP just being stupid?

The OP was executing a double gambit by introducing a valid question as well as baiting stupid posters.

But the OP, having gotten his cheap thrill by inducing said posters to reveal themselves to the readership, hereby desists from such nonsense and intends to return to discussing the thread topic.

:2wave:
 
Bkhad, your lack of tolerance for the Muslim faith is quite telling. Why are you so afraid?

Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.

And, btw, I'm quite tolerant of Muslims.
 
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Bkhad, your lack of tolerance for the Muslim faith is quite telling. Why are you so afraid?

Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.

Political Islam // Mission | Educating the World | Islamic Doctrine
 
Speaking of the Islamic Trilogy[1]:

It is surprising how much of the doctrine is political. Approximately 67% of the Meccan Koran and 51% of the Medinan Koran is political. About 75% of the Sira is about what was done to the kafir. Roughly 20% of the Hadith is about jihad, a political act.

Even the concept of Hell is political, not religious. There are 146 parts of the Koran that refer to Hell. Only 4% of the people in Islamic Hell are there for moral reasons, such as murder, theft or greed. In 96% of the cases the person is in Hell because they did not agree with Mohammed. This is a political charge. In short, Islamic Hell is primarily a political prison.

Duality and Political Islam - New English Review

[1] The Trilogy contains three books—

The Koran is what Mohammed said that the angel Gabriel said that Allah said. But the Koran does not contain enough guidance for one to be a Muslim. The Koran repeatedly says that all of the world should imitate Mohammed in every way. Mohammed’s words and deeds are called the Sunna. The Sunna is found in two different texts—the Sira and Hadith.

The first source of the Sunna is the Sira which is Mohammed’s biography. The most authoritative version is by Ibn Ishaq.

The other source of the Sunna is the Hadith, the Traditions of Mohammed. There are several versions of Hadith, but the most commonly used is by Bukhari.

So the Trilogy is the Koran, Sira and Hadith.

Political Islam // The 5 Principles
 
Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.

Are you going to explain why you believe that Islam is a monolithic entity with a single goal that it pursues eternally? A "clear pathway to victory" for WHAT KIND of Islam? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah and Iran? Hamas? Turkey? Indonesia? The Baath Party? The House of Saud? King Hussein of Jordan? The Bhutto family? Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

None of those entities have much in common with one another. What one would define as "victory for Islam" would probably horrify many of the others.
 
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Is everybody trying to say Islam is geared towards converting and killing? Ive read the Quaran, its a spiritual book, mentions nothing about killing or torture. The saudi's print a modified version which calls on muslims to kill the jews and christains. Now, 'gods' quaran doesnt say that (or shall i say the original version). Propaganda and media have clouded the truth, its a peaceful religion in actual reality, but terrorists and propaganda spreaded by the powerful extremists through modification of the quaran has bought it to its knees to the point where the west are SCARED of islam, refering to it as an evil religion. To me, all religion is pointless. But i think islam is discriminated upon alot.
 
Are you going to explain why you believe that Islam is a monolithic entity with a single goal that it pursues eternally? A "clear pathway to victory" for WHAT KIND of Islam? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah and Iran? Hamas? Turkey? Indonesia? The Baathist Party? The House of Saud? King Hussein of Jordan? The Bhutto family? Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

None of those entities have much in common with one another. What one would define as "victory for Islam" would probably horrify many of the others.

Good question(s).

There are Five Principles for non-Muslims to keep in mind when thinking of Islam.

These Five Principles can be put in five words—Trilogy, politics, kafirs, dualism and submission. These five words bring clarity and ease of learning about political Islam.

Up until now Islam has been hard to understand because it seemed complex and contradictory and did not make sense. But, once you see how the Five Principles work, everything falls into place. Complexity becomes simplicity. Chaos becomes order.

Political Islam // The 5 Principles

the Koran has 61% of its text devoted to the kafir [1]. The Sira (Mohammed’s biography) has about 75% of its text devoted to the kafir and jihad.

With this much of the Sura and the Koran devoted to us we should know that we are not to be killed unless it advances the cause of Islam. It's like a farming manual designed to instruct them in the way of tending us.

[1] Islam divides the world into Muslims and unbelievers, kafirs.

Political Islam always has two different ways to treat kafirs—dualistic ethics. Kafirs can be abused in the worst ways or they can be treated like a good neighbor.

Kafirs must submit to Islam in all politics and public life. Every aspect of kafir civilization must submit to political Islam.

Political Islam // The 5 Principles
 
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

I understand that you're new. So I won't hold it against you that you haven't seen, the couple of dozen times, I've posted that very comment.

You couldn't anyway. You have 18,000+ posts in 3 years. What would be the odds? :mrgreen:
 
Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.

Yup, im quietly waiting for the day we over throw the west and lock them up in chains :roll:
 
Let's not forget that one! lol
 
Let's not forget that one! lol

Yeah, and that Muslims will be rulers and all westerners have to submit to them and be their slaves, this is what will happen. Bhkad has predicted it alongside all his extreme right friends in Europe and the far right Americans.

:2funny:
 
Yeah, and that Muslims will be rulers and all westerners have to submit to them and be their slaves, this is what will happen. Bhkad has predicted it alongside all his extreme right friends in Europe and the far right Americans.

:2funny:

A refusal to acknowledge the problem increases the possibility that only extreme and widespread violence in this country will be able to right things some day.

We can only hope that there is an Islamist breakthrough somewhere on Earth that we can point to as a cautionary example.

Hmmm...what about the Balkans?

Anyone know what caused the problems there?
 
She just kills!

I'd like to do things to her, you wouldn't do to a farm animal!

This forum needs a moderator !
I come here for intelligent conversation; and instead this silliness is posted..
If its not too above your head, why why not return to the original posters questions and poll ??
 
This forum needs a moderator !
I come here for intelligent conversation; and instead this silliness is posted..
If its not too above your head, why why not return to the original posters questions and poll ??


Why? Silliness is so much more fun.
 
This forum needs a moderator !
I come here for intelligent conversation; and instead this silliness is posted..
If its not too above your head, why why not return to the original posters questions and poll ??

I hadn't seen that post. Usually I exercise the OP's prerogative in my threads to keep things in some degree of order. And when that isn't possible I rat out the offender(s).

Please accept my apology.
 
A refusal to acknowledge the problem increases the possibility that only extreme and widespread violence in this country will be able to right things some day.

We can only hope that there is an Islamist breakthrough somewhere on Earth that we can point to as a cautionary example.

Hmmm...what about the Balkans?

Anyone know what caused the problems there?

Yes, the extreme right movement(and nationalists) which committed a genocide on Muslims out of fear for what they have no idea about what is..
Some Americans and far right Europeans seem to promote the same idea.
 
We only seem to want to talk about "them" and what their doing.

We never want to talk about "us" and what we are doing, to "them".

And what did the terrorists in Mumbai do to them to be attacked?

And what did the Pakistanis do to them to be attacked?

And what did the Egyptians do to them to be attacked?

The aggression was always 'prompted' by something.

And who are THEY anyways?

Are they the sovereign governments?

No. They are the ones you all say are the loonies.

But then in your next breath you say we should kiss their asses.

You should get your stories straight or else you will sound like hypocrites.

:poke
 
Yes, the extreme right movement(and nationalists) which committed a genocide on Muslims out of fear for what they have no idea about what is..
Some Americans and far right Europeans seem to promote the same idea.

:applaud

Best example of doubletalk I've seen in days.

WTF does it mean?
 
:applaud

Best example of doubletalk I've seen in days.

WTF does it mean?

That Muslims were a growing minority and that unreasonable fear led to nationalism and far right extremism like we are seeing in the US and Europe today, which in the end led to genocide of Muslims, and will most likely lead to the same in Europe and the US if things continue like they are with more and more hatred and unreasonable fear towards Muslims.
 
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