• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64

bhkad

DP Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2007
Messages
10,742
Reaction score
1,753
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

From time to time I get indications there are people who believe the main goal of Islamic domination is to kill or convert us. I have long believed, however, that the true main goal is to captivate us.

This passage from a Front Page Magazine interview with Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) and spokesman for PoliticalIslam.com illustrates the idea well:

The Koran of Mecca has 67% of its text devoted to how the kafirs (unbelievers) must submit to Allah/ Mohammed.

Then in Medina, Mohammed’s message became political, and he became violent without limits towards kafirs. Mohammed made all the Jews of Medina submit to him by robbery, murder, war, assassinations, rape, torture, executions, exile and enslavement.

After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.

FrontPage Magazine

The goal, I believe is to captivate us and much of the tax money that goes now to Washington to pay for defense, for example, would instead go to Mecca.

That's how I see it. But what about you?

What do you think?
 
Last edited:
Depends. What do you mean by "Islam"? The text of the Qur'an, or the various diverse adherents of the religion today?
 
Depends. What do you mean by "Islam"? The text of the Qur'an, or the various diverse adherents of the religion today?

You can help educate the readership by explaining both. Thank you.

:)
 
Islams main goal is to follow the Koran..


Why would you believe any of the absurd options you have put up there? What you are probably referring to is a tiny minority of Muslims... Just like a tiny minority of Christians are extremists as well..

Another question.. What is the main goal of Christianity? To poison us with low morals and constant lies?


This poll is absurd.. So is the source.. You dont expect us to post sources from one sided and racists magazines?
 
Last edited:
You can help educate the readership by explaining both. Thank you.

:)

Well the Qur'an certainly has a lot of bloodshed in it, and calls to convert people or execute them. However, the same is true of many ancient religious texts. Since most modern adherents of any religion don't follow the ancient texts, I don't think one can judge Islam as it exists today entirely by the Qur'an.

As for modern Islam...there are so many different beliefs WITHIN Islam that one can't really generalize like that. Islam doesn't really HAVE a single goal. There are certainly plenty of extremists like al-Qaeda which seek to wind the clock back to the sixth century and kill all the infidels. There are plenty of other groups which are just as violent but not as extreme, such as Hamas, which basically just use religion as a pretext for their political struggles which have little to do with Islam itself. There are also many reformers who seek to expand Islam's sphere of influence through modernization and making the religion attractive to encourage people to convert.
 
Islams main goal is to follow the Koran..


Why would you believe any of the absurd options you have put up there? What you are probably referring to is a tiny minority of Muslims... Just like a tiny minority of Christians are extremists as well..

Another question.. What is the main goal of Christianity? To poison us with low morals and constant lies?


This poll is absurd.. So is the source.. You dont expect us to post sources from one sided and racists magazines?

9qemba.jpg


Your opinion and orientation are, both, noted here.
 
We only seem to want to talk about "them" and what their doing.

We never want to talk about "us" and what we are doing, to "them".
 
Islam and the followers are too diverse to have a specific goal.
 
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

Which is the Neocons main goal?

1) Terrorize the American public into supporting ridiculously high military spending, unnecesary wars, and restrictions on personal freedoms?

2) Establish a new American Imperialism?

3) Drag the US into the Arab Israeli conflict on Israel's side, and spill American blood and spend American treasure fighting Israel's wars?

From time to time I get indications there are people who believe the main goal of neocons is item 1 or 2. I have long perceived, however, that the true main goal is to have the US embroiled in the Israeli-Arab dispute in the ME, and fight Israel's wars.

This passage from a Wikipedia article about Doug Feith a necon given the key position of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in the Bush administration, illustrates the point well:

He was an outspoken skeptic of U.S.-Soviet détente and of the Oslo, Hebron and Wye Processes on Palestinian-Israeli peace. particular, he criticized the Oslo Accords and the Camp David peace agreement mediated by former President Carter between Egypt and Israel. In 1997, he published a lengthy article in Commentary, titled "A Strategy for Israel"

In 1998, Feith was one of a number of U.S. officials who signed an open letter to President Bill Clinton calling for the United States to oust Saddam Hussein.

Feith generally favors US support for Israel and has promoted US-Israeli cooperation. He was a member of the study group which authored a controversial report entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,[13] a set of policy recommendations for the newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Feith also served on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), a think tank that promotes a military and strategic alliance between the United States and Israel.

Feith was one of 18 founding members of the organization One Jerusalem to oppose the Oslo peace agreement. Its purpose is "saving a united Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel." He is also Director of Foundation for Jewish Studies, which "offers in-depth study programs for the adult Washington Jewish community that cross denominational lines."

An unnamed Bush administration official said to reporters from Newsday that "Secretary of State Colin Powell complained directly to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld several days ago about Feith's policy shop conducting missions that countered US policy."

Feith was standing in for Rumsfeld at a 2003 interagency 'Principals' Meeting' debating the Middle East, and ended his remarks on behalf of the Pentagon. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, "Thanks Doug, but when we want the Israeli position we'll invite the ambassador."
 
Last edited:
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

Which is the Neocons main goal?

1) Terrorize the American public into supporting ridiculously high military spending, unnecesary wars, and restrictions on personal freedoms?

2) Establish a new American Imperialism?

3) Drag the US into the Arab Israeli conflict on Israel's side, and spill American blood and spend American treasure fighting Israel's wars?

From time to time I get indications there are people who believe the main goal of neocons is item 1 or 2. I have long perceived, however, that the true main goal is to have the US embroiled in the Israeli-Arab dispute in the ME, and fight Israel's wars.

This passage from a Wikipedia article about Doug Feith a necon given the key position of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in the Bush administration, illustrates the point well:
At this point in time, the neocon's are nothing more than a footnote in history. Most of them either lost their jobs through subsequent elections, or were shunned into retirement. The country finally caught on to their anti-American bull**** and did, just like I knew Americans would, something about it. That's the nice thing about our heritage, when American's finally decide a change is needed, they make that change. The trouble is, this is only the beginning. The next time you hear from a neocon speaking from authority, it will be 2028.
 
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

At this point in time, the neocon's are nothing more than a footnote in history. Most of them either lost their jobs through subsequent elections, or were shunned into retirement. The country finally caught on to their anti-American bull**** and did, just like I knew Americans would, something about it. That's the nice thing about our heritage, when American's finally decide a change is needed, they make that change. The trouble is, this is only the beginning. The next time you hear from a neocon speaking from authority, it will be 2028.

I disagree. My post above was a bit tounge and cheek, but neocon outlets like the Weekly Standard and FrontPageMagazine which folks like Bkhad continually cut and paste on boards like this one continue their anti-Islam campaign and push for the US to engage militaristically. Their biased message is picked up by mainstream media like Fox News and rebroadcast.

Just a recent example from yesterday was the Fox story railing about the Palestinian supporter shouting to the pro-Israel supporters "go back to the overns," while reporting not a word about the Israel supporters with signs like "nuke Gaza".

They have not gone away and are still hard at work, as our resident mouthpiece Bkhad reminds us daily.
 
Last edited:
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

I disagree. My post above was a bit tounge and cheek, but neocon outlets like the Weekly Standard and FrontPageMagazine which folks like Bkhad continually cut and paste on boards like this one continue their anti-Islam campaign and push for the US to engage militaristically. Their biased message is picked up by mainstream media like Fox News and rebroadcast.

Just a recent example from yesterday was the Fox story railing about the Palestinian supporter shouting to the pro-Israel supporters "go back to the overns," while reporting not a word about the Israel supporters with signs like "nuke Gaza".

They have not gone away and are still hard at work, as our resident mouthpiece Bkhad reminds us daily.
Thanks a lot!

I had a nice dream going and you just woke me up!
 
What is Catholicism's main goal: To Touch Boys, Collect Land, or Spread AIDS?


Oh, wait, "Catholicism" is not an animate object, so it can't have goals. Hmmm.
 
I think like most religions if anyone was to follow the teachings word for word they would be in jail in no time.

The concern is the amount of people who truly view their existence permantly through their religion.People who blame islamic extremism on "American imperialism" do so against evidence.

How does American Imperalism explain the Islamist attempts to takeover algeria? Or the attacks on India which started long vbefore 9/11 the list goes on but i guess your argument is gonna have to be its always the othersides fault.
 
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

At this point in time, the neocon's are nothing more than a footnote in history. Most of them either lost their jobs through subsequent elections, or were shunned into retirement. The country finally caught on to their anti-American bull**** and did, just like I knew Americans would, something about it. That's the nice thing about our heritage, when American's finally decide a change is needed, they make that change. The trouble is, this is only the beginning. The next time you hear from a neocon speaking from authority, it will be 2028.


This is quite funny. Neocons were saying EXACTLY the same thing about liberals 8 years ago. :lol:

You are two sides of the same coin and don't even know it because of your partisan bickering. Both partys are the same.
 
Last edited:
Bump

......
 
Bkhad, your lack of tolerance for the Muslim faith is quite telling. Why are you so afraid?
 
Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

This is quite funny. Neocons were saying EXACTLY the same thing about liberals 8 years ago. :lol:

You are two sides of the same coin and don't even know it because of your partisan bickering. Both partys are the same.
I understand that you're new. So I won't hold it against you that you haven't seen, the couple of dozen times, I've posted that very comment.
 
Back
Top Bottom