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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    You are talking like if Islam said to hit them in your Leisure time, Islam said to hit wives if they sinned a big sin, where is the disrespect on that ?
    Can a woman hit you if you have sinned a big sin? Can woman go to school and work and have a husband that cares for the children? Why does she need to be hit in the first place?

    I do understand that it doesn't say just go out and beat women, but that's another example of direct violence in the Qu'ran.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Can a woman hit you if you have sinned a big sin?
    She can "Divorce" him, as Islam gave the divorce right to both men and women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Can woman go to school and work and have a husband that cares for the children? Why does she need to be hit in the first place?
    Whats the problem if the husband agrees ? She can get a sitter to look after the children, and go to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    I do understand that it doesn't say just go out and beat women, but that's another example of direct violence in the Qu'ran.
    You want to convence me that you people dont hit your women ? Infact I hardly hears about a hitting situation between husbands, and if, any of them can ask for divorce.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    She can "Divorce" him, as Islam gave the divorce right to both men and women.



    Whats the problem if the husband agrees ? She can get a sitter to look after the children, and go to work.



    You want to convence me that you people dont hit your women ? Infact I hardly hears about a hitting situation between husbands, and if, any of them can ask for divorce.
    1. The question was not if she can divorce him, it was if she can hit or strike him.
    2. The woman does not have the right to make choices without the consent of the husband is what you are saying right?
    3. I don't want to convince you of anything like that. I can only say that I would never do such a thing and I think that people who do perform these kinds of acts and try to use religion to excuse such cowardly and despicible behavior are less than human. Futhermore, I was merely pointing out that in the Quran violence is permitted against women, but not in reverse (it seems) and that just demonstrates inequality.

    My aims are not to offend you. Just to have honest open debate. These are my opinions of the Quran, and I do not hold an entirely negative opinion of it. However people have embraced a part of this doctrine and made it into a frightening violent movement.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    1. The question was not if she can divorce him, it was if she can hit or strike him.
    Yes she can, Islam had'nt prevent that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    2. The woman does not have the right to make choices without the consent of the husband is what you are saying right?
    That depends on what choices is she going to make, lets say that she is going to take a decision concerns its job or work, she don't have to ask, but in decisions concerns the family, of course she must to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    3. I don't want to convince you of anything like that. I can only say that I would never do such a thing and I think that people who do perform these kinds of acts and try to use religion to excuse such cowardly and despicible behavior are less than human.
    True, they are our first enemies, and of course you know who are they. "Terrorists"

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Futhermore, I was merely pointing out that in the Quran violence is permitted against women, but not in reverse (it seems) and that just demonstrates inequality.
    "In reverse" wasn't mentioned, and isn't prohibted too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    My aims are not to offend you. Just to have honest open debate. These are my opinions of the Quran, and I do not hold an entirely negative opinion of it. However people have embraced a part of this doctrine and made it into a frightening violent movement.
    Aims are so clear, I see no offendings, you are just Inquiring about my religion, you are widely welcome

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Wrong time to mention i like Britney Spears? :P
    Yes. It is.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Do you recognize the nation of Israel's right to exist?
    Who has a "right" to exist? And since when does either Israel or Palestine care about rights of the opposition during war?
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    You are talking like if Islam said to hit them in your Leisure time, Islam said to hit wives if they sinned a big sin, where is the disrespect on that ?
    You should never hit your significant other. The fact that you fail to see a problem with spousal abuse is sad.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    You should never hit your significant other. The fact that you fail to see a problem with spousal abuse is sad.
    I am mostly a pacifist. But If I came home and caught my wife (if I had one) trying to murder my child (if I had one) I would slap the bitch once right across her face to stop it and divorce her and report her to the authorities.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I am mostly a pacifist. But If I came home and caught my wife (if I had one) trying to murder my child (if I had one) I would slap the bitch once right across her face to stop it and divorce her and report her to the authorities.
    That would be the exception to the rule, obviously.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    That would be the exception to the rule, obviously.
    Well the guy had a good point. How many western wife beatings are out there? I don't see it in the news much but I've heard neighbor ladies scream and run out of their house bawling a few times in my life. Seems to happens a bit with guys with lots of money or their own business that cant keep control of their wives from their point of view.
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