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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But the fact that the concepts within are not universally influential (shellfish anyone?) means that if the ideas that WERE influential came form other sources originally, then those other sources had more influence than the OT did.

    That's why I chose a textbook for my example, instead of a book about relativity only. It may contain dozens of other concepts besides relativity, but if the future generations are only really influenced by relativity, then only Einstein did the influencing.
    The OT however is not a textbook. It took many ideas, arranged them in a specific narrative and that is what has been influential. Their original sources is interesting but it doesn't mean we, or rather the PC who have a problem with Xtian influence in the West, should hold up Hammurabi's code or Arkenaten as being anywhere as meaningful for the West as the OT.

    As a decentralist I know that some concepts though they may be very widely held and beneficial are usually better expressed and transfered to a particular culture by a more localised, traditional route.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The OT however is not a textbook. It took many ideas, arranged them in a specific narrative and that is what has been influential. Their original sources is interesting but it doesn't mean we, or rather the PC who have a problem with Xtian influence in the West, should hold up Hammurabi's code or Arkenaten as being anywhere as meaningful for the West as the OT.

    As a decentralist I know that some concepts though they may be very widely held and beneficial are usually better expressed and transfered to a particular culture by a more localised, traditional route.
    Personally, I have no problem acknowledging that Christiantity influenced the west. The only issue I have is when some portray that Christianity created Western Culture.

    Surely it influenced it, but there were so many other factors involved that it was not necessarily the driving force behind what created Western Culture.

    There is no doubt that it did indeed influence Western culture as well as many of the thinkers who's ideas form the framework of western thought.

    And if I were to choose whether which book of the bible had more of an influence on Western thought, I'd go with the NT hands down.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?


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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Personally, I have no problem acknowledging that Christiantity influenced the west. The only issue I have is when some portray that Christianity created Western Culture.

    Surely it influenced it, but there were so many other factors involved that it was not necessarily the driving force behind what created Western Culture.

    There is no doubt that it did indeed influence Western culture as well as many of the thinkers who's ideas form the framework of western thought.

    And if I were to choose whether which book of the bible had more of an influence on Western thought, I'd go with the NT hands down.
    I largely agree with you although I'd say Christianity as defined by the OT and NT as well as the church father's, councils and the long Christian tradition of the middle ages is one of the top influences of Western culture. Certainly it wasn't the "driving force" or sole creator by any mean but it was one of the top five or so factors.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I largely agree with you although I'd say Christianity as defined by the OT and NT as well as the church father's, councils and the long Christian tradition of the middle ages is one of the top influences of Western culture. Certainly it wasn't the "driving force" or sole creator by any mean but it was one of the top five or so factors.
    I agree with all that.

    I'd even go as far as putting it in the top three, along with Ancient Greek culture and Ancient Roman culture (and vicariously, the factors that influenced these two cultures).

    At different times in the West, the individual rankings of these three have shifted about some, but they are all vital ingredients in the mix that created Western Culture as we know it today.

    None of those three have primacy over the others, in my opinion.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Good thing, then I think we all agree on the basics here, except walleye.
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    Exclamation Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Their intent and, GOAL is to kill us if we do not submit and convert to ISLAM.

    However, they are brainwashed like in with any other RELIGON! Mental conformity to control and, standardize.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by musibike View Post
    Their intent and, GOAL is to kill us if we do not submit and convert to ISLAM.

    However, they are brainwashed like in with any other RELIGON! Mental conformity to control and, standardize.

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    The whole Muslim thing is just pushed by neo-cons in America as a tactics to acquire freedom from international norms and to wage war against countries they feel needed.. Neo-Cons is just a different version of Nazis.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by musibike View Post
    Their intent and, GOAL is to kill us if we do not submit and convert to ISLAM.

    However, they are brainwashed like in with any other RELIGON! Mental conformity to control and, standardize.

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    Care to back up your emotional argument? I would like you to explain how Buddhism brainwashes their followers.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Care to back up your emotional argument? I would like you to explain how Buddhism brainwashes their followers.
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