View Poll Results: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No.. Thats wrong.. Jesus created Christianity, a man just like Mohammed.
    Wrong. The bible says Jesus is God in the flesh and eternal. There is nothing about Mohammed or Islam in there.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Paul created Christianity as it is now. Jesus was a Jew, remember?
    Jesus the Christ. Christ is the Greek word for annointed. The annointed ones = Christians.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who you trying to kid with that line?
    I am not trying to kid anyone. You don't have to believe it, but it's the truth.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
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    Did you know that it was actually Christ's followers who created Christianity?
    Followers do not create what or who they follow.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    cherokee,

    What important subject is not awarded a Nobel Prize?

    Here's a hint bigger than that list you posted:
    Mathematics in medieval Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last I checked Nobel Prizes were awarded to new discoveries. While we are on the topic, do you think that we should retrospectively hand out Nobel Prizes to other past scientists?

    Secondly what kind of soceity that allegedly valued education and free thought and scientific inquiry allows such a legacy to fall into disrepute? And to top that off, what kind of great free thinking society then allows infidels to march on and overtake in terms of scientific achievment?

    Thirdly what kind of society that allows free thought and inquiry would burn the great library of Alexandria?

    Forthly, we need to acknowledge the discoveries of Arab scientists during the Middle Ages, their discoveries and advancement of Roman and Greek technology is of great HISTORICAL importance to the modern world. But we must put these discoveries and achievements in context.

    Many of the great scientists of the Golden Age, faced battles with the religious authorities. Theorhetical science that challenged religious orthodoxy was viewed with suspiscion by the religious authorities. Thus the Golden Age of Islam place great limitations on free thought and discovery. Once the practical discoveries that helped the Ulema expand, were seen as no longer useful or challenging Allah or the Koran, we see a historical decline in the technological advancement of the Caphalite.

    Technology and science are about advancement, progress and free inquiry. You stiffle this and you stiffle the development of society. This Pan-Arab pride in the Golden Age harks of revisionism and superiority complex, but unfortunately it masks over the Arab world's failure to maintain this alleged culture of free thought.

    The ultimate paradox is that the rise of conservative or absolutist Islam throughout the Muslim world, is advocated as the answer to Muslims malaise compared to the West. But it is this very rejection of rational and emperical thought that led the Muslim world into decline in the first place.

    Anyway back to my point. The historical existance of scientific discoveries does not meet the requirement of a Nobel prize. Secondly such a demise in scientific enquiry actually demostrates the pitfalls of rejecting empirical, rational and free thought. If this is so, I invite fellow debaters to post, information relating to current scientific achievements by Arabs and Muslims in particular; that has resulted in NEW knowlegde or has increased mankind's knowledge, or alternatively any new cutting edge technologies created by Arab or Muslim scholars, scientists or engineers, that will benefit mankind.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I am not trying to kid anyone. You don't have to believe it, but it's the truth.
    Its not truth. Its your belief, that does not make it fact.
    My opinion is that Christianity along with every religion in this world has been created and expanded by human beings.
    Oh and Isiah isn't Christ nor the Son of God nor the trinity, the messiah or whatever other name you tag to him.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Followers do not create what or who they follow.
    You're right about 'not who' but also 'not what'?

    If it wasn't for Christ's followers, there would be no such thing as Christianity.
    How else would Christianity have been created? God cannot create a religion. A religion is a following in the name of a god, not the creation of the god itself.


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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Islam is the sum of the actions taken in its name; for better or worse I see no reasonable option other than they wish death. Especially in light of the fact that a too large percentage of Muslims see the destruction of America as something other than absolute horror. Worse yet, are all to willing to burn our flags, kill our troops, ram our buildings and feel free to flaunt such feelings around at the UN, and their cultural soapboxes.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    I don't want to point this out but in a war, soldiers are fair gain on both sides and what is wrong with burning flags? Go burn a Muslim one if it makes you feel better. I don't see why people get touchy over a flag being burned.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Our soldiers are not being killed in a war, they are being murdered by extremists who flaunt the fact they would as soon pillage Geneva as listen to any decadent western treaties signed there. There's a difference.

    Also, they can burn the flag as much as they want but under no circumstances should someone believe it is viewed as a rational, educated and civilized approach to expressing disagreement. In short, burn it but don't expect for me to tolerate it and especially don't view it as some sort of... Peace offering, or whatever you think they feel when they burn it.

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