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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Bkhad, your lack of tolerance for the Muslim faith is quite telling. Why are you so afraid?
    Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.

    And, btw, I'm quite tolerant of Muslims.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Bkhad, your lack of tolerance for the Muslim faith is quite telling. Why are you so afraid?
    Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Speaking of the Islamic Trilogy[1]:

    It is surprising how much of the doctrine is political. Approximately 67% of the Meccan Koran and 51% of the Medinan Koran is political. About 75% of the Sira is about what was done to the kafir. Roughly 20% of the Hadith is about jihad, a political act.

    Even the concept of Hell is political, not religious. There are 146 parts of the Koran that refer to Hell. Only 4% of the people in Islamic Hell are there for moral reasons, such as murder, theft or greed. In 96% of the cases the person is in Hell because they did not agree with Mohammed. This is a political charge. In short, Islamic Hell is primarily a political prison.
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    [1] The Trilogy contains three books—

    The Koran is what Mohammed said that the angel Gabriel said that Allah said. But the Koran does not contain enough guidance for one to be a Muslim. The Koran repeatedly says that all of the world should imitate Mohammed in every way. Mohammed’s words and deeds are called the Sunna. The Sunna is found in two different texts—the Sira and Hadith.

    The first source of the Sunna is the Sira which is Mohammed’s biography. The most authoritative version is by Ibn Ishaq.

    The other source of the Sunna is the Hadith, the Traditions of Mohammed. There are several versions of Hadith, but the most commonly used is by Bukhari.

    So the Trilogy is the Koran, Sira and Hadith.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.
    Are you going to explain why you believe that Islam is a monolithic entity with a single goal that it pursues eternally? A "clear pathway to victory" for WHAT KIND of Islam? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah and Iran? Hamas? Turkey? Indonesia? The Baath Party? The House of Saud? King Hussein of Jordan? The Bhutto family? Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

    None of those entities have much in common with one another. What one would define as "victory for Islam" would probably horrify many of the others.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Is everybody trying to say Islam is geared towards converting and killing? Ive read the Quaran, its a spiritual book, mentions nothing about killing or torture. The saudi's print a modified version which calls on muslims to kill the jews and christains. Now, 'gods' quaran doesnt say that (or shall i say the original version). Propaganda and media have clouded the truth, its a peaceful religion in actual reality, but terrorists and propaganda spreaded by the powerful extremists through modification of the quaran has bought it to its knees to the point where the west are SCARED of islam, refering to it as an evil religion. To me, all religion is pointless. But i think islam is discriminated upon alot.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Are you going to explain why you believe that Islam is a monolithic entity with a single goal that it pursues eternally? A "clear pathway to victory" for WHAT KIND of Islam? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah and Iran? Hamas? Turkey? Indonesia? The Baathist Party? The House of Saud? King Hussein of Jordan? The Bhutto family? Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

    None of those entities have much in common with one another. What one would define as "victory for Islam" would probably horrify many of the others.
    Good question(s).

    There are Five Principles for non-Muslims to keep in mind when thinking of Islam.

    These Five Principles can be put in five words—Trilogy, politics, kafirs, dualism and submission. These five words bring clarity and ease of learning about political Islam.

    Up until now Islam has been hard to understand because it seemed complex and contradictory and did not make sense. But, once you see how the Five Principles work, everything falls into place. Complexity becomes simplicity. Chaos becomes order.

    Political Islam // The 5 Principles
    the Koran has 61% of its text devoted to the kafir [1]. The Sira (Mohammed’s biography) has about 75% of its text devoted to the kafir and jihad.
    With this much of the Sura and the Koran devoted to us we should know that we are not to be killed unless it advances the cause of Islam. It's like a farming manual designed to instruct them in the way of tending us.

    [1] Islam divides the world into Muslims and unbelievers, kafirs.

    Political Islam always has two different ways to treat kafirs—dualistic ethics. Kafirs can be abused in the worst ways or they can be treated like a good neighbor.

    Kafirs must submit to Islam in all politics and public life. Every aspect of kafir civilization must submit to political Islam.

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    Re: Which is Neocon's Main Goal: Terrorize Americans or fight Israel's wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    I understand that you're new. So I won't hold it against you that you haven't seen, the couple of dozen times, I've posted that very comment.
    You couldn't anyway. You have 18,000+ posts in 3 years. What would be the odds?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Because our way of life is worth defending and I can see a clear pathway to victory for Islam. If I was a Muslim I would feel optimistic.
    Yup, im quietly waiting for the day we over throw the west and lock them up in chains

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yup, im quietly waiting for the day we over throw the west and lock them up in chains
    Dont forget that you will introduce Sharia in Europe and the US
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Let's not forget that one! lol

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