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What is the punishment for a person who decides to leave Islam?
The Punishment for Apostasy from Islam
Last edited by walleye; 01-21-09 at 05:27 PM.
It is however true that in some chapters there is a hostility towards Jews and Christian, but its not a doctrine nor any form of dogma.
Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 01-21-09 at 07:01 PM.
Europe is illegally occupied by the US
Islam's main goal is to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That should be plain enough for everyone to understand.
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
There are restrictions on construction of places of worship, proselytizing, conversion, and inter-marriage, amongst many.
You should also follow some of the posts by Ahmed Shaheem, who claims to represent the true "peaceful" religion of qurayshism (ishmelism), where I challenged him to clarify his authoritarian, violent innuendo.
Do not believe the two faced lies and the subversive methods.
Besides, qurayshism (ishmaelism) is a genetic religion for the preservation of the patriarchal lineage of ishmael, through tribal tradition, whose sharia laws only apply to the city state of hejaz.
Free hejaz from al-saad!!
Ishmaelism is not based upon universal tenets.
Anyone which is not a male descendant of ishmael or a member of the quraysh tribe through blood or marriage is illegitimate (fictional ishmaelism).
What does the Qur'an say about Apostasy:
Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is nothing in there regarding capital punishment for apostasy. The only punishments noted are in the afterlife by God:
The way people tie execution with leaving Islam is through weak hadith on the subject:"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"
The reason this is considered a weak hadith is because there is only one isnad (or only one noted chain of transmission/narration). According to Islamic jurisprudence it is not enough to validate any type of hadd (mandatory) punishment in regards to Shari'ah.Buhkari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Ali burnt some people (hypocrites from the War) and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
In all cases though, the Qur'an is the ultimate source on this matter in which it specifically states:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."
Qur'an 2:256* Here is where I will show how you disgustingly misrepresent the Qur'an:"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine."
- 9:30Originally Posted by walleye
YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
- 8:65 You completely changed this one so I will quote it below:
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.
TBH, I think complete misrepresentation of things like this should be bannable offenses. You are fabricating translations of the Qur'an and giving them new meanings, as compared to the more accurate translations: CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
A prophet common saying : "get education even if you have to go to china" so how do you claim that there are ignorance in the Islamic word.
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi