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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    You and your pals always claim it is taken out of context. There is nothing taken out of context when it endorses killing in the name of Allah. People aren't that stupid. Explain how these verses are "taken out of context".

    "This is what many of our enemies believe about the rest of the worlds population" Koran 9:29

    “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30

    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

    “The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28

    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

    “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4

    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
    The fault lies in the definition of "infidel." Most muslims do not consider Jews and Christians as infidels, but as "People of the Book" who have merely gone astray. The infidels and historically the greatest killing came in terms of pagans who defied and attacked Muhammed. The goal of Islam is inherent in its name, Total submission to Allah. I think an important example of the fact that Islam is not the murdering doctrine that it is portrayed to be is the Church of St. John in Damascus. The muslims allowed the christians to continue worshipping on Sunday and eventually bought the church and converted to a Mosque. The problem with this texts as much as any lies in interpretation. There is another quote that says that you cannot force the faith on non-believers. You must also remember that every translation IS an interpretation...so yea.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Creoilis View Post
    The fault lies in the definition of "infidel." Most muslims do not consider Jews and Christians as infidels, but as "People of the Book" who have merely gone astray. The infidels and historically the greatest killing came in terms of pagans who defied and attacked Muhammed. The goal of Islam is inherent in its name, Total submission to Allah. I think an important example of the fact that Islam is not the murdering doctrine that it is portrayed to be is the Church of St. John in Damascus. The muslims allowed the christians to continue worshipping on Sunday and eventually bought the church and converted to a Mosque. The problem with this texts as much as any lies in interpretation. There is another quote that says that you cannot force the faith on non-believers. You must also remember that every translation IS an interpretation...so yea.
    There sure must be a lot of confused muslims then for there to be such hatred for Jews and Christians in the world. I wonder where they get such ideas?

    What is the punishment for a person who decides to leave Islam?

    The Punishment for Apostasy from Islam
    Last edited by walleye; 01-21-09 at 06:27 PM.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    There sure must be a lot of confused muslims then for there to be such hatred for Jews and Christians in the world. I wonder where they get such ideas?

    What is the punishment for a person who decides to leave Islam?

    The Punishment for Apostasy from Islam
    "Punishment..."? I think its fairly mild. They cut of their lifeline,AKA termination of being alive.These are after all,"reasonable people...loveing".

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    There sure must be a lot of confused muslims then for there to be such hatred for Jews and Christians in the world. I wonder where they get such ideas?

    What is the punishment for a person who decides to leave Islam?

    The Punishment for Apostasy from Islam
    I suggest you read the Koran rather than to listen to other peoples often biased opinions on it, and read chapters often misrepresented on the internet for the sake of spreading hatred towards Islam.

    It is however true that in some chapters there is a hostility towards Jews and Christian, but its not a doctrine nor any form of dogma.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I suggest you read the Koran rather than to listen to other peoples often biased opinions on it, and read chapters often misrepresented on the internet for the sake of spreading hatred towards Islam.

    It is however true that in some chapters there is a hostility towards Jews and Christian, but its not a doctrine nor any form of dogma.
    Everything I have used are words from the Koran, not "other peoples often biased opinions on it". I have quoted from the Koran. It most certainly is doctrine if Muhammed said to do it.

    What does the Koran say to do to people who leave Islam?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Islam's main goal is to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That should be plain enough for everyone to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoilis View Post
    The fault lies in the definition of "infidel." Most muslims do not consider Jews and Christians as infidels, but as "People of the Book" who have merely gone astray. The infidels and historically the greatest killing came in terms of pagans who defied and attacked Muhammed. The goal of Islam is inherent in its name, Total submission to Allah. I think an important example of the fact that Islam is not the murdering doctrine that it is portrayed to be is the Church of St. John in Damascus. The muslims allowed the christians to continue worshipping on Sunday and eventually bought the church and converted to a Mosque. The problem with this texts as much as any lies in interpretation. There is another quote that says that you cannot force the faith on non-believers. You must also remember that every translation IS an interpretation...so yea.
    You should research the restrictions on non-ishmaelism religious practice in countries which adhere to qurayshism (ishmaelism) as the state religion.
    There are restrictions on construction of places of worship, proselytizing, conversion, and inter-marriage, amongst many.

    You should also follow some of the posts by Ahmed Shaheem, who claims to represent the true "peaceful" religion of qurayshism (ishmelism), where I challenged him to clarify his authoritarian, violent innuendo.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057889825
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/baseme...post1057894222

    Do not believe the two faced lies and the subversive methods.

    Besides, qurayshism (ishmaelism) is a genetic religion for the preservation of the patriarchal lineage of ishmael, through tribal tradition, whose sharia laws only apply to the city state of hejaz.
    Free hejaz from al-saad!!

    Ishmaelism is not based upon universal tenets.
    Anyone which is not a male descendant of ishmael or a member of the quraysh tribe through blood or marriage is illegitimate (fictional ishmaelism).
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Everything I have used are words from the Koran, not "other peoples often biased opinions on it". I have quoted from the Koran. It most certainly is doctrine if Muhammed said to do it.

    What does the Koran say to do to people who leave Islam?
    Everything you have used are your own vile words, out of context lines from the Qur'an, or completely misrepresented translations from the Qur'an (I can show with your own posts where)*.

    What does the Qur'an say about Apostasy:
    Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is nothing in there regarding capital punishment for apostasy. The only punishments noted are in the afterlife by God:
    "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"
    Qur'an 18:29
    The way people tie execution with leaving Islam is through weak hadith on the subject:
    Buhkari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
    Narrated Ikrima:
    Ali burnt some people (hypocrites from the War) and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
    The reason this is considered a weak hadith is because there is only one isnad (or only one noted chain of transmission/narration). According to Islamic jurisprudence it is not enough to validate any type of hadd (mandatory) punishment in regards to Shari'ah.

    In all cases though, the Qur'an is the ultimate source on this matter in which it specifically states:

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."
    Qur'an 2:256
    "Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine."
    Qur'an 109:1-6
    * Here is where I will show how you disgustingly misrepresent the Qur'an:
    Quote Originally Posted by walleye
    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
    “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4
    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
    - 9:30
    Completely changed:
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    YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
    PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
    SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
    - 22:19
    - 47:4
    - 8:65 You completely changed this one so I will quote it below:
    008.065
    YUSUFALI: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
    PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
    SHAKIR: O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.
    - 8:12
    - 8:60


    TBH, I think complete misrepresentation of things like this should be bannable offenses. You are fabricating translations of the Qur'an and giving them new meanings, as compared to the more accurate translations: CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

    Anything else?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I disagree. All I have done is look around me and witness the oppression, destruction, and ignorance perpetuated by Islam. The ancient statues of Bhudda in Afghanistan destroyed. Why? The continued oppression of women. Why? The perpetuation of ignorance. Why? Teaching children to hate and murder Christians and Jews. Why?

    The son of a Hamas leader left Islam and became a Christian. He agrees with me. Why?

    Examine and open your mind.
    You answered your self :

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Those people were not following the teachings of Christianity.
    I'll say : Those people were not following the teaching of Islam, the agressive verses in Islam aren't against christians and jews, although jews got criticized in many verses, that was becasue of teir mocking , harming and hatred to Muslims and Islam, although that we weren't told to harm them in anyway.

    A prophet common saying : "get education even if you have to go to china" so how do you claim that there are ignorance in the Islamic word.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Islam's main goal is to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That should be plain enough for everyone to understand.
    Just as the goal of the ignorant is to spew verbal diarrhea all over threads on topics they know nothing about.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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