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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The terrorists are following the teachings of Muhammed. He was a man of war.
    Oh really ! in which way ?
    Excuse me, it would be stupidity to believe whatever you hear, they told us the same things they told you (that they are Murdering in the name of Allah), but the differnce between you and us is that that we believe that they are a bunch of Morons who are trying to get our sympathy with their sayings.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Oh really ! in which way ?
    Excuse me, it would be stupidity to believe whatever you hear, they told us the same things they told you (that they are Murdering in the name of Allah), but the differnce between you and us is that that we believe that they are a bunch of Morons who are trying to get our sympathy with their sayings.
    Hasan: Quran preaches violence and Mohammed practised it. How can then a practising muslim believe in non violence? - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quite a few out of context ayats.

    Take a look at this one:

    8.67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made great slaughter in the land.
    Now take a look at and compare the translations:

    Compared Translations of the meaning of the Quran - 8:67
    (It) was not to a prophet that (there) be for him captives/prisoners so that he hardens/exceeds in killing (tyrannizes) in the earth/Planet Earth, you want the present world's enjoyable accessories/vanities , and God wants the end (other life), and God (is) glorious/mighty , wise/judicious.
    Still haven't supported any of your claims yet. You claim you've read the Qur'an, but all I've seen is out of context verses that are posted on hundreds of sites similar to the one you posted. Sounds like you've only read other people's trash talk about Islam.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Quite a few out of context ayats.

    Take a look at this one:



    Now take a look at and compare the translations:

    Compared Translations of the meaning of the Quran - 8:67


    Still haven't supported any of your claims yet. You claim you've read the Qur'an, but all I've seen is out of context verses that are posted on hundreds of sites similar to the one you posted. Sounds like you've only read other people's trash talk about Islam.
    You and your pals always claim it is taken out of context. There is nothing taken out of context when it endorses killing in the name of Allah. People aren't that stupid. Explain how these verses are "taken out of context".

    "This is what many of our enemies believe about the rest of the worlds population" Koran 9:29

    “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30

    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

    “The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28

    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

    “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4

    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    You and your pals always claim it is taken out of context. There is nothing taken out of context when it endorses killing in the name of Allah. People aren't that stupid. Just because you believe everything your Imam or senile religious thug teaches you doesn't mean the rest of us are going to swallow it.
    Do you really not know how to read?

    If you take something out of context and reinterpret it by itself of course there will be a misrepresentation of the true meaning.

    Look at Numbers 31:17-18 from the Bible:
    31:17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
    31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, sparefor yourselves.
    With your same twisted logic, I can say the Bible is commanding all Christians to kill every male child and every woman who has had sexual intercourse. The girls who have not had sex are free to any Christian who wants to ****.

    Look how easy it is to misrepresent passages. I can distort the true meaning of anything If you're too ignorant to even see this in plain sight, then I feel there's not much hope for you whatsoever.

    PS - I have you quoted above with your post unedited. I started to refute all those ayats that were in the link you posted (Hasan: Quran preaches violence and Mohammed practised it. How can then a practising muslim believe in non violence? - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org). After checking that you when it copied and pasted them yourself, I decided to give you a slightly harsher reality check with my post. At least people can read your post as quoted in mine in more disgust.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    After thousands and thousands of words read and typed I have moved from the belief that all Muslims are either terrorists or would be agents in waiting.

    There are some of those in most large groupings of Muslims, I believe, but the majority of Muslims just want to live long and prosper like anyone else.

    And that is the purpose behind the internal struggle of Islam. The Jihad of the heart. To grow more willing and able to follow the example of Muhammad more fully, in all ways and things. This also means in dealings with kafirs.

    Most Muslims find it difficult to treat even non-Muslims with disdain but if they grow to be better Muslims they will always have the Holy verses to serve as the perfect example for behavior. Behavior that includes but is not limited to terrorism.

    Yes, the Koran recognizes the tendency of Muslims to shy away from what they SHOULD do. That is why Muhammad wrote:

    "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. God knows, but you know not" (2:216).
    But Muslims are not the only ones who shy away from what their Holy Books tell them to do.

    Jews eat pork and work on Saturday.

    Christians take the name of God in vain and bear false witness.

    Both shy away from the ideals of their religion.

    The message to Christians is to persevere after sinning, repenting and then promising to do better next time. Catholicism has a system of confession to keep the worshiper engaged in the internal struggle to be a better example of Jesus.

    Well, Jihad is one of the methods used to keep Muslims engaged in that struggle to live up to the Prophet's example.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I have read the Koran. I see a book of murder and hate.

    I haver read the New Testament and the words of Jesus and his disciples. I see a book of love and forgiveness and mercy.
    sinners are not supposed to be forgiven so easily and have their sins washed away, this only encourages sin and is the huge problem with the new testament as compared with the old. The new testament and Jesus has lead us into sin in the name of love.

    Love is just sex afterall and chemical reactions related to sex.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I agree.

    Do you believe in the millenium?
    What do you mean? If you mean the millenium and the age of the king and such. NO..

    I believe in an age of prosper for human being where all adopt the morals of the bible, and there is end to sins and such, and age where we really "get to know God", and everyone lives in happiness and a prosperous world for all. The last age..

    I don't know what the millennium you refer to is.. I do not believe in Jesus as anything but a false prophet. At this day and age where the faith in Jesus is so central in Europe, we indulge in sin and flood our soul with sinful ways.. That hardly a coincidence that we live like this and a record people believe in Jesus and the new testament rather than the old testament and God.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    My faith does not teach murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. My faith teaches murder is against God's law. Would you tell me the Christians who are murdering people in the name of Jesus? I'd like to know.
    A bible that is never taught in the new testament which is one of the greatest sins in the old(yet not in ten commandments), is "backbiting"...

    Christians love to "backbite", in addition Christians or so called Christians love to steal, lie and cheat as well. Its what happens frequently in my Christian country Norway and most Christian countries across Europe. People lie every day, many times a day, cheating has become normality, and many people steal.

    Most people "backbite"..

    If we learn to follow the ways of the old testament instead of the old, I am sure we would follow the ten commandments as a society rather then so easily break them in hope that "Jesus will save us from our sin".. We have to live free of sin, not sin in hope of being forgiven them by Jesus.. Thats the main difference between the old and the new testament. The new encourages sin.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The terrorists are following the teachings of Muhammed. He was a man of war.
    Have you read the Koran? I have.. Some say the most aggressive chapters is not even written by Mohammed.. I think they are, but I dont really find them overly aggressive, just smart, and preparing a society for war, if it comes to their shores.

    I am only worried about say, 3% of the Koran, which specifies hate.. I am not sure about the interpretations of it, and will probably have to re-read it many times to understand if it actually teaches blind hate towards Christians and Jews.
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