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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Back up your claims with evidence.

    Ignorance must really be bliss.
    If you are not aware the Koran teaches to kill infidels (unbelievers) and those who leave Islam, the you are the blissfully ignorant one. Do you really believe the Koran doesn't teach muslims to kill unbelievers?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    If you are not aware the Koran teaches to kill infidels (unbelievers) and those who leave Islam, the you are the blissfully ignorant one.
    This is coming from the mouth of an individual claiming the Bible does not condone violence or killing.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    If you are not aware the Koran teaches to kill infidels (unbelievers) and those who leave Islam, the you are the blissfully ignorant one. Do you really believe the Koran doesn't teach muslims to kill unbelievers?
    Are you going to back up your claims? Because once you do I will refute them quite easily, just like the claim "Koran teaches to kill unbelievers":

    Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (Qu'ran, 15:2-3)

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Are you going to back up your claims? Because once you do I will refute them quite easily, just like the claim "Koran teaches to kill unbelievers":
    Q9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

    Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .

    Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Q9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

    Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .

    Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
    For a Christian, your disregard for context is quite a surprise.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Whether Islam/Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism...etc...is "true" that is besides the point.

    Follow the religion that makes you a better person and that makes the world a better place.

    Islam may be the appropriate religion for some, but sadly, it seems too many people are ill-suited for what the Koran holds.

    We can argue all day on who's right (and you guys have been doing that...) but there seems to be their is no right answer; or at least the answer has yet to be discovered.
    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    For a Christian, your disregard for context is quite a surprise.
    Christian has nothing to do with it.

    Give me the correct context that justifies killing in the name of Allah as these passages from the Koran state.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    I'm waiting. Refute these:

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    Originally Posted by Degreez
    Are you going to back up your claims? Because once you do I will refute them quite easily, just like the claim "Koran teaches to kill unbelievers":

    Q9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

    Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .

    Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Christian has nothing to do with it.
    Some Christians throw a tantrum if you quote the Bible out of context, thus my remark.

    Give me the correct context that justifies killing in the name of Allah as these passages from the Koran state.
    It's quite obvious in these lines:

    Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .

    Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
    It would appear that their attack is a response to being attacked. Go figure!
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Q9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
    Out of context, read the ayat before:
    [9:12] If they violate their oaths after pledging to keep their covenants, and attack your religion, you may fight the leaders of paganism - you are no longer bound by your covenant with them - that they may refrain.

    [9:13] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them? GOD is the One you are supposed to fear, if you are believers.
    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .
    Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
    Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
    It's not okay to fight against those who are fighting with you? I like how you snipped out part of ayat 190. Here it is in its entirety:
    190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
    Also love how you left out ayat 192.

    Anymore?

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