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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

    I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.
    The Bible is? You mean the people who wrote about Jesus' life who never met him?

    How can Jesus and the people around him get in trouble for the New Testament, before it even came out. The New Testament may teach of the Trinity, but the Old Testament does not.

    "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)". (NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
    Our God, the Lord is one.

    Jesus never taught anything of the Trinity. It is a fabrication of man.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    The Bible is? You mean the people who wrote about Jesus' life who never met him?

    How can Jesus and the people around him get in trouble for the New Testament, before it even came out. The New Testament may teach of the Trinity, but the Old Testament does not.



    Our God, the Lord is one.

    Jesus never taught anything of the Trinity. It is a fabrication of man.
    Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

    I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

    The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

    I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

    The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.
    Thats just amazing what length you will go to defend this. Jesus goes against the old testament and the commandments, there is no doubt about this. The trinity is never mentioned in the old testament, but proclaiming yourself God like Jesus does in the phrase you quote is blasphemy by old testament standards.

    The ideal way for a Satan to stray people away from God, his laws and the old testament, is exactly Jesus and what he did.
    If you cannot see that you have never read the old testament.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats just amazing what length you will go to defend this. Jesus goes against the old testament and the commandments, there is no doubt about this. The trinity is never mentioned in the old testament, but proclaiming yourself God like Jesus does in the phrase you quote is blasphemy by old testament standards.

    The ideal way for a Satan to stray people away from God, his laws and the old testament, is exactly Jesus and what he did.
    If you cannot see that you have never read the old testament.
    I am just giving you the facts from the bible. If you find that amazing it could be you don't know much about the bible. The word "trinity" does not have to be mentioned to prove God manifests in 3 persons.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

    I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

    The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.
    When did Paul meet Jesus? Paul was born 60 some odd years after Jesus' "crucifixion". You seem to be confused.

    Show me, with passages from the Old Testament, that the Trinity was foretold. Moses never mentioned anything about a Trinity either, just the One God.

    Here's something from the New Testament though:

    "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)
    Translate this exact phrase from English to Hebrew:
    'Son of God'

    It becomes 'Servant of God'

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I am just giving you the facts from the bible. If you find that amazing it could be you don't know much about the bible. The word "trinity" does not have to be mentioned to prove God manifests in 3 persons.

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    The bible specifies that there is only one God..
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Murder is not part of my faith. One of the 10 commandements says to not murder. You are mistaken. You are confusing judgement with murder. When you break a commandment of God the judgement is death. That is not murder. Murder is when you kill an innocent person. In Deuteronomy God was judging. That is what will happen to everyone who does not believe in the living God. God was displaying his judgment for sin. That is not murder. That is justice.
    So, in Exodus when the people are worshiping the Golden calf and God tells Moses to kill them all, that's not murder but "judgment"? How barbaric. It also says a lot about your God and his inability to deal with his own problems.

    God also gives mercy and that is found in Jesus. Jesus is the way out of judgment because he took it. Islam is a false religion.
    Bravo, when backed into a corner you have formed an emotional argument devoid of logic or facts. Let me know how that works out for you.

    My faith does not teach murder.
    Your faith teaches that murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. Sounds a bit like militant Islam, eh?
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.
    Ah, it is all very clear now. I was unaware that I was debating someone who knows less about their own faith than I do.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The bible specifies that there is only one God..
    I agree.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So, in Exodus when the people are worshiping the Golden calf and God tells Moses to kill them all, that's not murder but "judgment"? How barbaric. It also says a lot about your God and his inability to deal with his own problems.



    Bravo, when backed into a corner you have formed an emotional argument devoid of logic or facts. Let me know how that works out for you.

    Your faith teaches that murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. Sounds a bit like militant Islam, eh?
    I am telling you what the bible says. You are free to believe it or not.

    No, this is not an emotional argument. I am repeating what the bible says.

    My faith does not teach murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. My faith teaches murder is against God's law. Would you tell me the Christians who are murdering people in the name of Jesus? I'd like to know.

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