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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
EgoffTib said:
How do you figure? I'm an atheist Buddhist. :shock:
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Because most Western athiesm is completely materialist.

What does Richard Dawkins think about you Athiestic Buddhism? I realise he is an "amateur athiest" and says little that wasn't said much better by Marx, Satre et al but he seems to be a beacon for all kinds of wankers these days.
 
Wessexman said:
Because most Western athiesm is completely materialist.

What does Richard Dawkins think about you Athiestic Buddhism? I realise he is an "amateur athiest" and says little that wasn't said much better by Marx, Satre et al but he seems to be a beacon for all kinds of wankers these days.
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I dunno, Dawkins and I do not talk much these days.
 
EgoffTib said:
I dunno, Dawkins and I do not talk much these days.
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Well athiests are bitches. Did you have a fight, athiest style?
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EgoffTib said:
You already have. Go back and re-read the last 10 pages of this thread and you will see why I rest my case.
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What you have are a few isolated cases compared to an entire culture. That's what you have. You and a few others keep trying to compare a few mentallly ill people to an entire religion. Pretty lame in my humble opinion. Denial on a grand scale.
 
You people are ruining an opportunity to actually discuss these issues by focusing on what has little to do with the thread question.

1) Instead of criticizing the individual behaviors of the Christian or Muslim, you should be acknowledging the main stream of their religions and the civilization.

2) Instead of trying to define the religion by scriptures, you should be defining it according to the creators.

You are all dancing all around this.
 
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Your niece has low life, drug and gang banging friends but she is nice. Do you want her to move in with you?
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That's the analogy for our accepting Muslims into our country in large numbers.

We know most Muslims are moderate to some degree but they are willing (or are obligated or forced) to conceal and cover for their friends, associates or relatives who are radical.

Do we want to ignore the bad Muslims hiding behind the good ones just so we can feel good about ourselves?

Is this a burden we are ready to take on?

Are we doing so with our eyes wide shut?
 
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walleye said:
What you have are a few isolated cases compared to an entire culture. That's what you have. You and a few others keep trying to compare a few mentallly ill people to an entire religion. Pretty lame in my humble opinion. Denial on a grand scale.
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Oh my word... How ironic that this argument perfectly applies to you. :cool:
 
bhkad said:
That's the analogy for our accepting Muslims into our country in large numbers.

We know most Muslims are moderate to some degree but they are willing (or are obligated or forced) to conceal and cover for their friends, associates or relatives who are radical.

Do we want to ignore the bad Muslims hiding behind the good ones just so we can feel good about ourselves?

Is this a burden we are ready to take on?

Are we doing so with our eyes wide shut?
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Mind blowing ignorance. I guess this is the main reason few people wvwn bother debating you? :shock:
 
February 8, 2009
Ottawa radio host chastized for making "abusive and discriminatory," but true, statements about Islam and Muslims

Green: He posed a question

Green asked, "Is there something inherent in the Muslim faith that promotes violence and oppression of women?” Hmmm, let's see.

The Qur'an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: "Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will" (2:223).

The Qur'an also declares that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man: "Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her" (2:282).

It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice" (4:3).

It rules that a son's inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (4:11).

Worst of all, the Qur’an tells husbands to beat their disobedient wives: "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them" (4:34).

It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (65:4).

Nor is that all. There are ahadith in which Muhammad says that hell is filled with many more women than men, there are Islamic legal justifications for child marriage, stoning for adultery, honor killing, and female genital mutilation, and there is abundant evidence that these views of women have created hardened cultural attitudes across the Islamic world that institutionalize misery for women and discrimination against them.

All that is fine, however, with our cultural and political elites -- but woe betide the non-Muslim, like Lowell Green, who dares to make reference to it.

Free Speech Death Watch Update: "Ottawa radio station chastised for comments on Muslims," by Chris Cobb for the Ottawa Citizen, February 6 (thanks to the indomitable and magnificent Kathy Shaidle, who asks, "Dear me: how all this 'words can rape, maim and leave you for dead in a ditch!!' alchemy operates is an awful big mystery to poor stupid rightwinger me... "):

OTTAWA — A veteran open-line radio host in Ottawa contravened Canadian broadcasting standards when he made “abusive and discriminatory” remarks against Muslims, the national broadcast watchdog ruled Friday.
According to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, Lowell Green launched an “uninformed and unfair” attack when he told his CFRA audience in early December that the majority of Muslims are fanatics, and extremist behaviour is symptomatic of the religion, not just a radical minority.


"Uninformed," yes. Those who notice Islamic jihad and the Islamic justifications made for it by its Muslim perpetrators are always "uninformed." Those who turn a blind eye to it all are the ones who are "informed."Green had been inspired by the story of British schoolteacher Gillian Gibbons, whose elementary class in the Sudanese capital Khartoum named a teddy bear “Muhammad,” causing a storm of outrage across the Muslim world.
Gibbons was forced to leave the country after being threatened with imprisonment and death.


Not that there's anything wrong with that, apparently.

Green posed the question to listeners: “Is there something inherent in the Muslim faith that promotes violence and oppression of women?”
He posed a question! Horror of horrors!

In response to one Muslim caller who tried to defend Islam, Green responded: “Baloney,” and during another call, told a sympathetic, but apparently non-Muslim, caller that she had “abandoned common sense” and was being “silly.”
“Almost every act of terrorism around the world today is carried out in the name of Islam,” responded Green. “Don’t tell me this is the work of a few fanatics.”


A position that can be abundantly supported by mountains of evidence.

The broadcast watchdog, an arm’s-length organization created and funded by private broadcasters to rule on listener and viewer complaints, was especially critical of Green for refusing to listen to pro-Islam callers, especially those who were clearly informed about the religion.
“The host has mounted a sweeping, abusive and unduly discriminatory criticism of Islam,” it said.

Worse, said the CBSC report, was the manner in which the broadcaster dismissed those who disagreed with him.

“Green did not merely disagree with opposing points of view,” it said. “He mocked, ridiculed and insulted their interlocutors.”


Well, then, he must be silenced!

Under CBSC rules, stations violating rules must broadcast the decision, but there is no other punishment.
Yet.

Jihad Watch: Ottawa radio host chastized for making "abusive and discriminatory," but true, statements about Islam and Muslims
 
EgoffTib said:
Mind blowing ignorance. I guess this is the main reason few people wvwn bother debating you? :shock:
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Maybe you think no moderate Muslims help cover for their extremist friends?

I saw a film, I think it was the "Hamburg Cell," where moderates said nothing as the 9/11 hijackers planned and plotted.

What is mind blowingly ignorant about that?

And if the moderates won't speak up, much less acknowledge the existence of extremists in their midsts, if we welcome Muslims into our society in large numbers aren't we just asking for trouble?
 
walleye said:
You admit people are killed for mocking Mohammed and for leaving Islam for another religion. Any of you apologists around here want to tell us all that we are reading this "out of context"?
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We must remember that Islam is largely a stone age religion, give them another several hundred years to become civilized...By that time, maybe all the old time religions will be replaced with something much better....or Jesus Christ will return and save us from ourselves..
 
EgoffTib said:
That is ridiculous. How about you try not to let words affect you so much. If someone told me they ****ed my mother, I would laugh and walk away. Are you trying to say that I am a bigger person than most people in your religion?
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Its just a honor issue, no one is bigger than honor.
and from when is the less honored one is the bigger ?
 
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Australianlibertarian said:
If I am to go by Ahmed's comments it seems that Arab-Muslim culture is obsessed with honour yes and collective zeal no. I find it ironic that Ahmed has libertarian as his political view point, yet his views on the freedom of expression are anything but libertarian.
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Australianlibertarian said:
And here is Ahmed's dilemma. He wants us to take him seriously and respect his view points. But how can we?
When he condones violence against those that question the legitimacy of Islam, or persons that leave Islam. Like a true authoritarian, he seems to believe that a person born into Islam or a person that leaves Islam is a threat that must be dealt with....
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"When he..." when did I said that ? now who are the one who musn't have his views respected.

Australianlibertarian said:
To me this shows the utter weakness of his religion, if Islam was so wonderful and so great, why would it need its followers to threaten skeptics, apostates and atheists? Why is Ahmed afraid of non-believers?
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Oh, enlight me then, why do I have an Athiest friend ?
Why do Athiests live in here ?
Why are you inventing issues about me ?

Why do you think koran contains a violence verses against Athiests ?
Because Athiests were harming and killing Muslims that time, so the violence here is against the Athiests who harms us.
 
walleye said:
You admit people are killed for mocking Mohammed and for leaving Islam for another religion.
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Where did we killed the mocking people ?
Yes we threatened them, but we hadn't touch them.
The protests were made to show the Resentment that we felt about the mockings.

walleye said:
Any of you apologists around here want to tell us all that we are reading this "out of context"?
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Are you trying to be smart ?
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Its just a honor issue, no one is bigger than honor.
and from when is the less honored one is the bigger ?
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Jesus showed us that God is bigger than honor. He was humiliated, degraded, tortured and murdered, yet he did not strike back or tell anyone to strike back. Jesus was a real man. Mohammed was a religious thug.
 
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