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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The bottom line is it says to kill and torture the unbelievers. That is not "out of context". This shows what kind of man Mohammed was compared to Jesus. This also shows why Islam is a religion of hate and murder. There is nothing taken out of context about that.
    Where does it say any of that? Do you not know how to read?

    This ayat:
    When the sacred months are over, slay the polytheists wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them
    is in reference to the Quraish tribe (Polytheists - idol worshippers) who had made a treaty with the Muslims, but negated that treaty and aided others to fight against Muslims in Mecca. This is affirmed in the ayat before the one quoted above:

    ... except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous.
    And it's not wise to compare Muhammad to Jesus. During Jesus' time he was considered a Jewish blasphemer. I suggest reading this book:
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    My faith does not teach murder. Islam does. Jesus is the God of Christianity and Jesus says to love you enemies and to love your neighbor. Islam teaches to kill the unbeliever. One of the religions is a lie and I believe it is Islam.
    Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
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    I dont really want to say Christians are dumb, but many of them are...

    They were specifically forbidden to worship anything else than God, but now they again worship something else, a man on, the cross and all his statues. And they claim this is right in the eyes of God, and they say there are 3 Gods, not 1 like the commandments say

    But Christians are best in their own eyes, they are right, even when they want to exterminate a whole other religion.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
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    I've read the New Testament. There is nothing in there where Jesus or any follower of Jesus teaches violence to further Christianity. I suggest you look in there instead of a mirror.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I dont really want to say Christians are dumb, but many of them are...

    They were specifically forbidden to worship anything else than God, but now they again worship something else, a man on, the cross and all his statues. And they claim this is right in the eyes of God, and they say there are 3 Gods, not 1 like the commandments say

    But Christians are best in their own eyes, they are right, even when they want to exterminate a whole other religion.
    There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

    I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

    I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.
    No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

    And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

    And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.
    I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

    I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

    I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.
    I am the Lord your God
    You shall have no other gods before me
    You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    Three first commandments, Christians break all of them by worshiping "another God" Jesus(a man) and making images and statues of him to worship, and carrying the cross.. (this is exactly what people did wrong in the old testament, the people who betrayed God).

    Anyone can "bypass" these by calling a piece of wood God, and justifying it by that, but if you really red the bible, you will see that there are no other Gods, including Jesus. Except in the new testament the con man Jesus breaks the prophesies of the old testament and goes into the modus of doing magic to be worshiped as a God.

    And by annulling everything in the old testament he effectively lead us into the overly sinful society we live in today, and people ignorantly believe that Jesus is good rather than a servant of Satan.

    Case closed.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

    And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.
    Actually the old testament warned against people such as Jesus, using magic and such tricks, and people falling into love with them and worshiping him as God just like they failed God and worshiped lots of other things in the past.
    If you actually looks logical at it all and put your trust in the old testament, then Jesus is the son of Satan.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

    I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.
    Read the old testament. It warns of this belief.

    The new testament is written by Jesus and his gang of crooks, no wonder it teaches a bunch of things that goes in advantage Jesus. Imagine if Jesus is the son of Satan, how easily Satan deceived you all.

    Holy trinity goes against anything of the old testament. And the first commandments.
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