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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Slavery to Christians and Jews ?
    Never heard of that.
    Captivation, if not slavery. Semi-slavery.

    The Koran of Mecca has 67% of its text devoted to how the kafirs (unbelievers) must submit to Allah/ Mohammed.

    Then in Medina, Mohammed’s message became political, and he became violent without limits towards kafirs. Mohammed made all the Jews of Medina submit to him by robbery, murder, war, assassinations, rape, torture, executions, exile and enslavement.

    After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

    The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.
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    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Captivation, if not slavery. Semi-slavery.



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    WTF , are you serious.
    Those facts are ****in fake.
    What semi-slave and what BS.

    Excuse me for being rude, but I cant see those mind ****s and I will stay calm, so clear that this post is from an Anti-Islamic person.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    WTF , are you serious.
    Those facts are ****in fake.
    What semi-slave and what BS.

    Excuse me for being rude, but I cant see those mind ****s and I will stay calm, so clear that this post is from an Anti-Islamic person.
    Christians don't know everything about Christianity or the Bible.

    Muslims aren't all walking Imams.

    Mohammed’s power structure was now complete. His first division of humanity was into believer/kafir. Then he refined kafir into dhimmi and slave. Humanity became divided into Muslim, kafir-slaves, kafir-dhimmis and kafirs.

    As the Islamic conquest rolled over the kafirs, the dhimmi was the perfect tool of subjugation. After Islam conquered a country, for instance Egypt, the Muslims were the top dogs in the politics, but the Christians could keep their religion. However, they had to live without legal protection or civil rights. All public space was Islamic. The dhimmi could be insulted, abused and had no recourse. They had to pay the jizya tax. The dhimmi were cattle on the Islamic ranch, but could attend their church or synagogue.

    FP: What happened to the dhimmis under these conditions?

    Warner: The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.

    In the 20th century, Islam became so weak that the full dhimmi status was dropped. But if you meet and talk to Christians from the Middle East today, you will find that the centuries of dhimmitude have produced, in many cases, a personality similar to an abused wife. It is very sad to see how subjugated a personality can become.

    There is another kind of dhimmi—kafirs who become apologists for Islam, fear and defer to it. So we have two types of dhimmi—the subjugated dhimmi who is under the political power of Islam and the apologist dhimmi who seeks Islamic favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Here is the deal :
    Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......
    Ishmaelism is also hell bent against polytheists.

    The religion of fictional ishmaelism had better evaluate any intolerant and agressive demeanor, even towards atheists, as theism does not represent a pretense for moral principle.

    A proposition for you is, open a thread and defend the position that only theism can represent a pretense for moral principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially.
    In recent US history, police did not interfere in domestic violence; that is, essentially, agression against women did not exist.


    Lastly, ask any non-israeli on the street; "Should you convert to israelism (judaism)?"
    The answer would be "No"; if because, they are not of the tribe or genetic lineage of isaac (israelis, "jews").

    The same is true of ishmaelism; "Should you convert to ishmaelism (islam)?"
    The answer should be "No"; if because, they are not of the tribe or genetic lineage of ishmael (quraysh).

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Christians don't know everything about Christianity or the Bible.

    Muslims aren't all walking Imams.



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    Ok, I wont comment about Warner, but I will tell you something, I want you to ask any Christian or Jew in here. If he told you that we "Muslims" hold any kind of aggression towards them, you are the winner then.

    Add, there are no taxes taken from them.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Here is the deal :
    Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......
    How sad, since atheists (such as me) are probably the only real friends and supporters you've got, here in the US.
    As an atheist, I don't think your religion is any better or worse than Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

    But trust me: atheists are probably very nearly alone in that sentiment.
    You ought to try very hard not to be "against" us.
    Last edited by 1069; 01-18-09 at 03:02 AM.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    How sad, since atheists (such as me) are probably the only real friends and supporters you've got, here in the US.
    As an atheist, I don't think your religion is any better or worse than Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

    But trust me: atheists are probably very nearly alone in that sentiment.
    You ought to try very hard not to be "against" us.
    Excuse me, did I say something against you ?
    The only Athiests we are Against are the ones who Mock your religion.
    We cant take those mockings and stay like nothing happened, we do have Athiests here, but they do show respect to the religion, thats why they are living in peace now, and I hadnt said that my religion is the best of all, Its like all religions.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Ok, I wont comment about Warner, but I will tell you something, I want you to ask any Christian or Jew in here. If he told you that we "Muslims" hold any kind of aggression towards them, you are the winner then.

    Add, there are no taxes taken from them.
    You seem to be a lovely person. But you do not speak for the threat to us kafirs and so I must accept your comments with a pinch of salt.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    You seem to be a lovely person. But you do not speak for the threat to us kafirs and so I must accept your comments with a pinch of salt.
    Dude, how you want me to speak for you ?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Dude, how you want me to speak for you ?
    Don't go changin to try an' please me. I like you just the way you are.

    OBL 11/24/02

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