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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I see your point, but I don't agree they were just as bad. Hitler had to be stopped and anyone who helped was needed. Stalin took advantage of the opportunity to annex half of Europe in the victory. Stalin murdered a lot of his people, I do agree with that. We were an ally to Iraq when the Iraq-Iran war was going on. Not because we liked Iraq but because they were useful. I see the same thing with Russia. They were useful.
    you are right. They weren't just as bad, they were worse.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Sure ... Please do educate me on Islam.
    Islam is a murderous hateful cult run by religious senile old men who deny women their God-given rights. Islam is oppressive. Islam keeps people ignorant and teaches to hate Jews and Christians in the Koran.

    The Qur’an Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
    and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

    The Qur’an makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:

    The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

    Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Qur’an introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

    With regard to Islam, the Qur’an tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:

    Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

    As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40). In fact, much of the Qur’an is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter.

    The first sura of the Qur'an is an example of this. It is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:

    Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)

    Muhammad was once asked if these words pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).

    Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Qur’an tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:

    Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)

    Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over believers:

    And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)

    The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:

    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

    A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.



    The Qur’an Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
    and Says that They are Vile Animals

    The Qur’an dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:

    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

    Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

    Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. Verse 2:65 continues the theme.

    Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.

    A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

    Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than demons who believe in Muhammad.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Oh wow, those verses really show Islam as violent.

    Why do you think westerners haven't realised the threat of Islam?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh wow, those verses really show Islam as violent.

    Why do you think westerners haven't realised the threat of Islam?
    I agree. Islam is violent and more than violent. It is hateful and intolerant of others. My sister couldn't get a cab at the airport in Minneapolis because she had a bottle of liquor. Somali muslim cab drivers.

    I think many westerners have realized the threat of Islam.
    Last edited by walleye; 01-17-09 at 10:11 PM.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Here is the deal :

    Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

    Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Here is the deal :

    Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

    Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .
    I have read the Koran and there are some very questionable mentions of both Christians and Jews.. Not that they dominate the Koran or even is a large part(like some people on this forum want to believe), but they seem extremely hostile and aggressive towards Christianity and Judaism in the few but noticeable mentions. I had problems interpreting them clearly, but it is clearly hostile.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Here is the deal :

    Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

    Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .
    Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"

    Lest us return to the issue of equality.

    The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

    For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

    Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

    Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

    At the summit are free male Muslims

    Next come Muslim male slaves

    Then come free Muslim women

    Next come Muslim slave women.

    Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

    Each category has rights that must be respected.

    The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

    The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

    Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.

    Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Slavery to Christians and Jews ?
    Never heard of that.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I have read the Koran and there are some very questionable mentions of both Christians and Jews.. Not that they dominate the Koran or even is a large part(like some people on this forum want to believe), but they seem extremely hostile and aggressive towards Christianity and Judaism in the few but noticeable mentions. I had problems interpreting them clearly, but it is clearly hostile.
    Any questions, am ready

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Bump to keep this from being the last post on the preceding page and easily overlooked as well as to prevent having to post important information twice.
    Last edited by bhkad; 01-18-09 at 02:27 AM.

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