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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
Indistinctions

"Indistinctions"
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yes, it was lazy.. But England and other European states who are and have been Christians have used beheadings for a long time, and often.
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The /wiki/decapitation link does not have any associations with christian doctrine, and its origins seems to be associated with a painless (semi?) death.

Maximus Zeebra said:
I am not defending either.. And I defend both from unjust prejudice and hatred if I must. I am simply trying to help some people get rid of their unreasonable hatred and look at things objectively. I fight for reality and against polarized, emotional and instinctual intellectualism.
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Well then, please state your perceived differences between christianity and ishmaelism (political, social, ethical, whatever).
 
walleye said:
Now you are lying. You will not watch the videos but you then claim that it is not happening to innocent people by muslims. The videos clearly show that muslims are chopping the heads off of innocent people.

Give me the links to evidence the Catholic church is beheading people in the name of Jesus.

Putting a person in the electric chair is punishment for murder. Beheading someone who has committed no crime is murder.

You're very very confused. You're also a liar.
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For centuries christian rulers have been beheading scientists and astronomers when their research points out the earth revolved around the sun..

the world isn't flat, etc...

because of this christian rulers probably held back human technology for centuries putting us way behind what was possible.....
 
walleye said:
Your religion sure has a lot of believers who "mistranslate" a lot of verses.
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Mistranslated, maybe.
You cant judge on the verse or know what do it talks about or whats the real moral unless you get back to the Interpretation (explaination) recourse. wether its translated or not.
 
Shewter said:
It also has rampant illiteracy in many of the areas that produce what you would call "Terrorists".

Corrupt individuals use this to their benefit by reading them what they want to read them in order to influence the people... in, well, the wrong way.
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Completely true ... "Verses Misuse"

I'll tell you an example for the misuse of the verses :

We have a verse saying : "Don't pray when you are drunk" .. some people, (lets say terrorists) takes the first two words : "Don't pray" and claims that God said not to pray..

It's just a small example of misusing verses, not necessarily in the same way I mentioned.
 
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:spin:
Maximus Zeebra said:
My opinion is that those people are extremists, and in no way represent Muslims in general, just like the KKK and them burning people on the cross and hanging them do not represent the US.
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Why did Muhammed behead people? He was a real true Muslim and he beheaded people. Why?
 
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walleye said:
:spin:

Why did Muhammed behead people? He was a real true Muslim and he beheaded people. Why?
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Beheaded people, no
Behaded Guilty, yes, the only crime which was beheaded for is murdering.
Its like : how had you killed you'll be killed, which equals now to the hanging with rope or with "electric chair" < Which is forbidden in Islam.
 
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Ahmed Shaheen said:
Beheaded people, no
Behaded Guilty, yes, the only crime which was beheaded for is murdering.
Its like : how had you killed you'll be killed, which equals now to the hanging with rope or with "electric chair" < Which is forbidden in Islam.
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Infidels were beheaded. What crime were they guilty of?
 
For centuries christian rulers have been beheading scientists and astronomers when their research points out the earth revolved around the sun..

the world isn't flat, etc...

because of this christian rulers probably held back human technology for centuries putting us way behind what was possible.....
 
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walleye said:
Infidels were beheaded. What crime were they guilty of?
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For harming, killing and torturing Muslims and Prophet, and mocking God.
 
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walleye said:
Jesus was mocked, tortured and killed. How many people did his disciples behead and kill?
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You mean the 12 disciples ?
what do you think they could do that time ?
 
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walleye said:
Yes, the 12 disciples and all the other followers of Jesus. How many people did they kill or behead for mocking, torturing and killing Jesus?
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Do you think that the 12 disciples had the power to do that, ask the Crusaders about that .
 
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Ahmed Shaheen said:
Do you think that the 12 disciples had the power to do that, ask the Crusaders about that .
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Doesn't take much power to behead people and kill them. All you need is a sword and enough thugs to take someone and do the job. Happens frequently all around the world these days. Why didn't the disciples and followers of Jesus do it?
 
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walleye said:
Doesn't take much power to behead people and kill them. All you need is a sword and enough thugs to take someone and do the job. Happens frequently all around the world these days. Why didn't the disciples and followers of Jesus do it?
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you are talking like if it is a piece of cake, Jusus's disciples made the right decision when they desided to take the peace way as they were only 12 and they were in the begining of the invitation to God.
 
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Ahmed Shaheen said:
you are talking like if it is a piece of cake, Jusus's disciples made the right decision when they desided to take the peace way as they were only 12 and they were in the begining of the invitation to God.
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Okay. The disciples of Jesus took the peace way.

How come there are muslims who take the way of Mohammed and behead people?

Looks like Jesus is a better man than Mohammed.
 
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walleye said:
Okay. The disciples of Jesus took the peace way.

How come there are muslims who take the way of Mohammed and behead people?

Looks like Jesus is a better man than Mohammed.
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Was Mohammed better than Jesus when he banned Alcohol ?
 
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walleye said:
Nothing wrong with drinking wine. The sin is getting drunk.

You didn't answer my question.

How come there are muslims who behead people like Mohammed did?
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And where are they ?
 
Re: Bewildered

walleye said:
Nothing wrong with drinking wine. The sin is getting drunk.
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Was Jesus drinking ?

And when did he said that ?

You are trying to say that you can get in the middle of a fire without getting burned (drinking without getting drunk) ?

Its so known that people drinks much when they feel sad or depressed, will you prevebt them ?

Another thing, where did the bible mentioned that the sin is in getting drunk ?
 
Re: Bewildered

walleye said:
http://www.bibleanswers.info/pdf/Is it a sin to get drunk.pdf
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Tough Blow to Team Ahmed, the score is:
Team Walleye: 10
Team Ahmed: 9

Will Ahmed have a counter? Find out next time on Debate Politics! And thank you for joining us folks. Have a good night, I'm outa here.

I know what you're thinking Joemama is :screwy ...
No, I'm not crazy, I'm just a bit tired.
Ok ok...maybe I am a bit crazy...but aren't we all?
 
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JoeMama said:
Tough Blow to Team Ahmed, the score is:
Team Walleye: 10
Team Ahmed: 9

Will Ahmed have a counter? Find out next time on Debate Politics! And thank you for joining us folks. Have a good night, I'm outa here.

I know what you're thinking Joemama is :screwy ...
No, I'm not crazy, I'm just a bit tired.
Ok ok...maybe I am a bit crazy...but aren't we all?
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Briber referee ?

Walleye did you do this to get more score :rofl:rofl
 
Blame Provocation

"Blame Provocation"
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Do you think that the 12 disciples had the power to do that, ask the Crusaders about that .
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/wiki/Crusades#Middle_Eastern_situation
The Muslim presence in the Holy Land began with the initial Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century. The Muslim armies' successes put increasing pressure on the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire.

Another factor that contributed to the change in Western attitudes towards the East came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. In 1039 his successor, after requiring large sums be paid for the right, permitted the Byzantine Empire to rebuild it.[7] Pilgrimages were allowed to the Holy Lands before and after the Sepulchre was rebuilt, but for a time pilgrims were captured and some of the clergy were killed. The Muslim conquerors eventually realized that the wealth of Jerusalem came from the pilgrims; with this realization the persecution of pilgrims stopped.[8] However, the damage was already done, and the violence of the Seljuk Turks became part of the concern that spread the passion for the Crusades.[9]
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