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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

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    So when are you converting to Islam? You're such an apologist, you might as well.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Ive never seen dedicated religious folks backbite others, they arent gay, nor do they lie or cheat. But all the people who are Christian only be heritage lie and backbite all the time, they constantly cheat, its their favorite activities.. As for atheists I would believe its about the same, possibly even worse, and a bigger chance of lying, backbiting, stealing, killing, cheating and other immoral behavior.

    No offense, I am talking generally, not saying you specifically need to have low moral. Most gays are atheists or agnostics, yes?
    I'm sorry Maximus, but when I ask for empirical evidence to back up your claims, I am not asking for more of your personal opinions. If you believe that religion promotes greater generosity, hospitality and empathy towards others, and that atheism reduces such moral traits, then I want to see empirical studies showing so.

    Secondly, what has a persons sexuality got to do with the price of milk, let alone atheism? Are you trying to suggest that most of those 'out there' 'promiscuous' gays are mostly atheists? Have you got any empirical evidence to back this up? Thirdly, even if you did have evidence; what is wrong morally with homosexuals being 'out there' or having lots of casual sex? Or alternatively what is wrong with homosexuality? Because you seem to equate homosexuality with the same sort of moral problems as lying, cheating and stealing

    So I yet again I await some sort of rational basis for the religion=greater morality theory.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    How do you figure?
    I thought you were into Shamanism and such?
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    I'm sorry Maximus, but when I ask for empirical evidence to back up your claims, I am not asking for more of your personal opinions. If you believe that religion promotes greater generosity, hospitality and empathy towards others, and that atheism reduces such moral traits, then I want to see empirical studies showing so.

    Secondly, what has a persons sexuality got to do with the price of milk, let alone atheism? Are you trying to suggest that most of those 'out there' 'promiscuous' gays are mostly atheists? Have you got any empirical evidence to back this up? Thirdly, even if you did have evidence; what is wrong morally with homosexuals being 'out there' or having lots of casual sex? Or alternatively what is wrong with homosexuality? Because you seem to equate homosexuality with the same sort of moral problems as lying, cheating and stealing

    So I yet again I await some sort of rational basis for the religion=greater morality theory.
    Is this a scientific discussion now? I was just exchanging opinions about religion and morality as related and asking if you didnt agree...

    No offense really if you are gay, but gay sex is just about the dirtiest thing in the world, well ahead of anal sex between man and woman, which should also be illegal and discouraged. Poo and cock(and mouths connected with poo) just dont belong together.

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    Religious folks follow a moral code which atheists not necessarily follows, even though some of them do.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    The idea of a religion having a goal is absurd.
    People have goals.
    Authors can have a goal in writing a book. And people can develop goals. But the idea of Islam having a goal is retarded.. A book can not have goals.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Is this a scientific discussion now? I was just exchanging opinions about religion and morality as related and asking if you didnt agree...

    No offense really if you are gay, but gay sex is just about the dirtiest thing in the world, well ahead of anal sex between man and woman, which should also be illegal and discouraged. Poo and cock(and mouths connected with poo) just dont belong together.

    To be brutally honest.


    Religious folks follow a moral code which atheists not necessarily follows, even though some of them do.
    Sorry but your claims were in relation to reality. These claims were not just hypotheticals or metaphysical, you were suggesting that in the real world that certain people act in certain way due to whether or not they believe in god. The conversation is no longer theoretical, but rather aplied......

    You made claims about observations you have seen in the real world. Once you cross that line, it is no longer opinion but rather you are making claims which can be asserted or refuted. It's that simple........

    So please don't play 'I was only making opinion', when your observations where based on your experience. That is the physical and real, and not the metaphysical of theoretical.

    Secondly, you have not explained why sodomy is the equivalent of cheating, lying or stealing. You have mentioned a phobia of things 'dirty', but you have failed to connect the dots by explaining why something is immoral when it is dirty.....

    So Maximus, are all of the people that do dirty jobs immoral, because they have to deal with dirty situations? Or do those people provide society with a certain amount utility, while sodomy doesn't?

    If you talk about experiences or what you have seen, we are no longer talking about the theoretical, but rather the real, natural and measurable world. So yes science does come into this, if you are making claims about this world as opposed to the theoretical or hypothetical; empirical forms of debate enter into the equation. Otherwise I might as well say that I believe the sky is green......

    Lastly you confuse my empirical analysis of your argument with Freudian defensiveness... Why do you assume that anyone that challenges your un-substantiated claims about homosexuals is therefore gay?

    Basically I have challenged your claims about homosexuality, and the best you can do is talk about dirtiness or suggest that I am gay....... I am still waiting for empirical defense of your claims about the real world as opposed to dodging of the issue.

    But hay opinions are cool.... Did I tell you that moon cheese tends to make people nicer compared to non-moon cheese eating people?????? Ohhhhhh it's not a claim Maximus, its just an opinion.........

    Do you understand the difference between personal and subjective, versus objective/causative/probative?

    So why does atheism make people more immoral or less likely to have a moral code than a religious person?

    And why is sodomy immoral because it is dirty? That is, why do you compare anal sex to cheating, theft, lying or greed?

    I await your ENLIGHTENED answer.

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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I thought you were into Shamanism and such?
    If you want to know my "religious" views, I do not really have any. I take a lot from Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. on how to live life as a good human being. The sad thing is that I am more "christ-like" than most Christians I encounter.

    So, in summary, I have no belief in a divine being. I believe that I am here and I will make the most of it. My mission is to have a positive impact on as many lives as possible. That's my heaven.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No offense really if you are gay, but gay sex is just about the dirtiest thing in the world, well ahead of anal sex between man and woman, which should also be illegal and discouraged. Poo and cock(and mouths connected with poo) just dont belong together.

    To be brutally honest.
    Again, this is just a ton of opinion. I disagree with you. If two consenting individuals want to participate in anal intercourse, then I have no problem with that. Making sexual acts illegal is a joke.

    Religious folks follow a moral code which atheists not necessarily follows, even though some of them do.
    Morality is a human construct. Anyone can obtain morals, religious affiliation is irrelevant.
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    Re: Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    The idea of a religion having a goal is absurd.
    People have goals.
    Authors can have a goal in writing a book. And people can develop goals. But the idea of Islam having a goal is retarded.. A book can not have goals.
    You do know that Muslims are obliged, "to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah. Allah has created all living beings in order to obey him and worship him, don't you?

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