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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
Maximus Zeebra said:
And the US is an organization full of morons.. All organizations are bad by your definitions.. the UN is just a bunch of charters, an the dictators doesnt really carry a meaningful voice in the UN.



And so does the US, does the moron government and failed politics of the US represent the people anymore than the government of the PEOPLES Republic of China?
You view is so skewed that I am too lazy to correct it.. So in your opinion only democratic retard nations with joke democracy, money election and white teeth should be allowed to be members of the UN security council?



Tibet is a Chinese regions. So what if they want to stamp down on rebellion in their own country. As far as I have seen the US is far more of a police state than China. People in the US have to seek approval just to demonstrate.



Ridiculous. The US is the hypocrites and the jokers.




Thats all you can do, think in a military sense. The UN is international agreements and international norms. Nothing more than that, its up to its nations, its most powerful nations to enforce those regulations not break them.





Ridiculous assertion. In your world everyone is cowboys and do not adhere to any international norms? Thats what you want, eh?
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Those are very naive statements. The UN is full of corruption.
 
walleye said:
Those are very naive statements. The UN is full of corruption.
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The UN is not the nations in it, just because a nation in it is completely corrupt doesnt mean this reflects on the UN. Its an organization where nations of the world cooperate to the best of their abilities, and a framework for international norms and agreements. How can treaties be corrupt?

How about the US government or European governments, why would you consider them less corrupt? What is the corruption you are actually talking about in the UN?
 
While I don't think that most muslims are evil people. Their book does use some pretty harsh language against others...but then again I'm Jewish. :lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
The UN is not the nations in it, just because a nation in it is completely corrupt doesnt mean this reflects on the UN. Its an organization where nations of the world cooperate to the best of their abilities, and a framework for international norms and agreements. How can treaties be corrupt?

How about the US government or European governments, why would you consider them less corrupt? What is the corruption you are actually talking about in the UN?
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Did you ever hear the term "one rotten apple spoils the whole barrell"? Well, there's more than a few rotten apples in the barrel.

I would consider the USA and a few others the least corrupt. Go to Google and type in....."corruption at the UN". That'll keep you busy for a while.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
Sorry for not including the :roll:...

I was just trying to give a sarcastic statement about what HIS opinion is and Americans opinion is about the UN.. They think its controlled by Muslims.
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hehe :mrgreen:, I missed that, sorry .
 
Radical Ron said:
While I don't think that most muslims are evil people. Their book does use some pretty harsh language against others...but then again I'm Jewish. :lol:
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Seems good until the word "Others", whom do you think we are aggressive to ?
 
walleye said:
Do you recognize the nation of Israel's right to exist?
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If I don't recognize Israel's existance that never means that I hate them or I must be aggressive to them.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Seems good until the word "Others", whom do you think we are aggressive to ?
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Jews, Christians, Polytheists, People who drink alchohol, Atheists, and other "non-believers". At least that's all I could think of right now. Again I don't think muslims are bad people, I'm just a little weary of a book that has verses like that. That's all. I am equally worried about fanatical Christians, not just fanatical Muslims. People of faith do not bother me.
 
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Ahmed Shaheen said:
If I don't recognize Israel's existance that never means that I hate them or I must be aggressive to them.
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Why not recognize the existance of Israel? What would someone who did this be accomplishing? Most of the world has already done so and the country has existed for over 60 years.
 
Radical Ron said:
Jews, Christians, Polytheists, People who drink alchohol, Atheists, and other "non-believers".
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Jews, christians > no
Polythiests, Athiests > "If they harms you" like how they did to Muslims in the past.
Non-believers > they werent mentioned in Koran, but we do recognize them as "Religious People" which are called "Dhimmis" and they have the right to exist peacefully.

Radical Ron said:
I'm just a little weary of a book that openly wants to "Captivate, Convert, or Kill" me. That's all.
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you seems so impressed by the thread's topic :)
 
Radical Ron said:
The whole you are allowed to hit your wife thing... Is that true? Do you believe that Islam is respectful to women?
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You are talking like if Islam said to hit them in your Leisure time, Islam said to hit wives if they sinned a big sin, where is the disrespect on that ?
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
You are talking like if Islam said to hit them in your Leisure time, Islam said to hit wives if they sinned a big sin, where is the disrespect on that ?
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Can a woman hit you if you have sinned a big sin? Can woman go to school and work and have a husband that cares for the children? Why does she need to be hit in the first place?

I do understand that it doesn't say just go out and beat women, but that's another example of direct violence in the Qu'ran.
 
Radical Ron said:
Can a woman hit you if you have sinned a big sin?
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She can "Divorce" him, as Islam gave the divorce right to both men and women.

Radical Ron said:
Can woman go to school and work and have a husband that cares for the children? Why does she need to be hit in the first place?
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Whats the problem if the husband agrees ? She can get a sitter to look after the children, and go to work.

Radical Ron said:
I do understand that it doesn't say just go out and beat women, but that's another example of direct violence in the Qu'ran.
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You want to convence me that you people dont hit your women ? Infact I hardly hears about a hitting situation between husbands, and if, any of them can ask for divorce.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
She can "Divorce" him, as Islam gave the divorce right to both men and women.



Whats the problem if the husband agrees ? She can get a sitter to look after the children, and go to work.



You want to convence me that you people dont hit your women ? Infact I hardly hears about a hitting situation between husbands, and if, any of them can ask for divorce.
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1. The question was not if she can divorce him, it was if she can hit or strike him.
2. The woman does not have the right to make choices without the consent of the husband is what you are saying right?
3. I don't want to convince you of anything like that. I can only say that I would never do such a thing and I think that people who do perform these kinds of acts and try to use religion to excuse such cowardly and despicible behavior are less than human. Futhermore, I was merely pointing out that in the Quran violence is permitted against women, but not in reverse (it seems) and that just demonstrates inequality.

My aims are not to offend you. Just to have honest open debate. These are my opinions of the Quran, and I do not hold an entirely negative opinion of it. However people have embraced a part of this doctrine and made it into a frightening violent movement.
 
Radical Ron said:
1. The question was not if she can divorce him, it was if she can hit or strike him.
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Yes she can, Islam had'nt prevent that.

Radical Ron said:
2. The woman does not have the right to make choices without the consent of the husband is what you are saying right?
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That depends on what choices is she going to make, lets say that she is going to take a decision concerns its job or work, she don't have to ask, but in decisions concerns the family, of course she must to.

Radical Ron said:
3. I don't want to convince you of anything like that. I can only say that I would never do such a thing and I think that people who do perform these kinds of acts and try to use religion to excuse such cowardly and despicible behavior are less than human.
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True, they are our first enemies, and of course you know who are they. "Terrorists"

Radical Ron said:
Futhermore, I was merely pointing out that in the Quran violence is permitted against women, but not in reverse (it seems) and that just demonstrates inequality.
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"In reverse" wasn't mentioned, and isn't prohibted too.

Radical Ron said:
My aims are not to offend you. Just to have honest open debate. These are my opinions of the Quran, and I do not hold an entirely negative opinion of it. However people have embraced a part of this doctrine and made it into a frightening violent movement.
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Aims are so clear, I see no offendings, you are just Inquiring about my religion, you are widely welcome :2wave:
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
You are talking like if Islam said to hit them in your Leisure time, Islam said to hit wives if they sinned a big sin, where is the disrespect on that ?
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You should never hit your significant other. The fact that you fail to see a problem with spousal abuse is sad.
 
EgoffTib said:
You should never hit your significant other. The fact that you fail to see a problem with spousal abuse is sad.
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I am mostly a pacifist. But If I came home and caught my wife (if I had one) trying to murder my child (if I had one) I would slap the bitch once right across her face to stop it and divorce her and report her to the authorities.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I am mostly a pacifist. But If I came home and caught my wife (if I had one) trying to murder my child (if I had one) I would slap the bitch once right across her face to stop it and divorce her and report her to the authorities.
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That would be the exception to the rule, obviously.
 
EgoffTib said:
That would be the exception to the rule, obviously.
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Well the guy had a good point. How many western wife beatings are out there? I don't see it in the news much but I've heard neighbor ladies scream and run out of their house bawling a few times in my life. Seems to happens a bit with guys with lots of money or their own business that cant keep control of their wives from their point of view.
 
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