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Thread: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't think it will work because it leaves Israel with difficult boundaries to defend and radicals in control of land that it can use to launch rockets at Israel. Your plan can say that any rockets will be an act of war and Israel can respond accordingly, however, the international community will NOT see it that way.

    Also, the Palestinians rejected pretty much this proposal back in the 1990s. Hamas would NEVER accept it, though Abbas may very well. There are radical elements in the Palestinian community who will accept nothing less than the complete extermination of the State of Israel.
    76% of the Palestinians favor the 2 states solution (= what Goobieman proposes)

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who is "Gaza"? The illegitimate Hamas regime? Mahmoud Abbas? A referendum of the voters? What if they decide to become part of Egypt, and Egypt doesn't want them? What if Hamas chooses "None of the above"?
    I refer to the people of Gaza. They decide what they want to do.
    If Egypt doesnt want them, they then decide on something else.

    This third bullet point seems to contradict the first two.
    Not so much -- I may not have been clear.

    -Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
    -Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
    This means that each state will, as its sovereign right, decide who/what is allowed to pass thru its own borders. But, with all rights come responsibilties, so...

    -Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.
    This means that Israel will hold Palestine acountable for not securing its borders against attack from Palestine against Israel. Every state has the reposnibility to make sure that people dont make attacks on other states across their borders on other states; shold Palestine allow such attacks, they will be considere3d an act of war. This incents Palestine to take border security seriously, and addresses Israel's legitimate security concerns

    Not anytime in the near future. I think it's possible for Israel to negotiate a peace settlement with Fatah, Lebanon, and Syria which would result in an independent Palestine in the West Bank. But as long as Hamas remains in control of Gaza (or even as long as Hamas has significant support in Gaza), Gaza will necessarily be excluded from any peace settlement.
    Both territories could gain statehood independently of the other -- its not necessarily an all/nothng proposition.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Azerbaijan and Armenia appear to be the only ones in a similar situation (geographically). Russia and the US are geographically separated, but by oceans, not just land. Thanks for responding.
    Admit it:
    When you asked the question, you didnt have a clue that "The US" was the most obvious answer.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Again, they are separated by land and. West Bank is separated solely by land from Gaza. This means to travel from one to the other you must pass through another country's land. This is not the case with Alaska and Kaliningrad.
    I ask again:
    So what?

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't think it will work because it leaves Israel with difficult boundaries to defend and radicals in control of land that it can use to launch rockets at Israel. Your plan can say that any rockets will be an act of war and Israel can respond accordingly, however, the international community will NOT see it that way.
    If the North Koreans were to rocket South Korea (or japan)...
    If China were to rocket Taiwan...
    If the US were to rocket Iran...
    All acts of war, yes?

    Palestine rocketing Israel is different? How?

    Also, the Palestinians rejected pretty much this proposal back in the 1990s. Hamas would NEVER accept it, though Abbas may very well. There are radical elements in the Palestinian community who will accept nothing less than the complete extermination of the State of Israel.
    Indeed.
    Describes the problem quite well.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Admit it:
    When you asked the question, you didnt have a clue that "The US" was the most obvious answer.
    Wow, maybe because when I thought of geographically separated I assumed you were smart enough to grasp the meaning behind the wording. Instead you'd rather beat an interpretation of wording to death. Admit it, you're just being an ass.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Wow, maybe because when I thought of geographically separated I assumed you were smart enough to grasp the meaning behind the wording. Instead you'd rather beat an interpretation of wording to death. Admit it, you're just being an ass.
    Ah.
    So, you're changing the goalposts in order to avoid looking like a moron.
    You'll need to move them much, much farther.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah.
    So, you're changing the goalposts in order to avoid looking like a moron.
    You'll need to move them much, much farther.
    One of your favorite lines. So it doesn't matter what I say, only what you think I said. I believe you are in danger of being a hypocrite here Goobieman.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    One of your favorite lines. So it doesn't matter what I say, only what you think I said. I believe you are in danger of being a hypocrite here Goobieman.
    I see that you -still- don't have a point.
    No surprise.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    -Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.
    That would be the same as what's going on right now.

    A few dickheads would start launching rockets from within the border and bam, another conflict.



    Let them fight it out. What else can we really do?
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    Don't apologize to me over that silly ****. I could care less if I can see the dust or not.
    Now apologize for apologizing!

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