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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?
    Armenia. Azerbaijan. Russia. The United States of America.

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    Also, what happens to Jerusalem?
    I think that Israel is going to have to give up the Arab sectors of Jerusalem. The Palestinians will never agree to any deal that doesn't include part of Jerusalem.
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Armenia. Azerbaijan. Russia. The United States of America.



    I think that Israel is going to have to give up the Arab sectors of Jerusalem. The Palestinians will never agree to any deal that doesn't include part of Jerusalem.
    Azerbaijan and Armenia appear to be the only ones in a similar situation (geographically). Russia and the US are geographically separated, but by oceans, not just land. Thanks for responding.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What DO they want?
    They want the Israelis gone.

    Period.

    That's why they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. That way they could have had their 'freedom' long ago.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Azerbaijan and Armenia appear to be the only ones in a similar situation (geographically). Russia and the US are geographically separated, but by oceans, not just land. Thanks for responding.
    The main part of Russia is separated from Kaliningrad by land. The main part of the United States is separated from Alaska by land.
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?

    Also, what happens to Jerusalem?
    Several Native tribes in the US are separated, so that's not an issue.

    The sharing of Jerusalem and existing holy sites is the issue than can never be resolved.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Peace, of course, would require two sides desirous of coexistence. We’re one short. Palestinians do not seek to coexist with Israel. They seek to destroy Israel. But that may have to await their annihilation of each other, with Fatah and its fellow thug, Hamas, now locked in a struggle for control.

    Hamas is proudly unyielding in its announced intention to vaporize the “Zionist entity.” By contrast, Fatah is cagier but no less determined. In the Arafat style, it feints every now and again toward negotiation with Israel. There is, after all, a trough of Western billions for any Palestinian leadership willing to affect aspiration toward the Clinton/Bush nirvana: two states, Israel and “Palestine,” living side-by-side in peace. Fatah needs those billions to keep its operatives loyal. Historically, it is a pervasively corrupt, creakily socialist outfit — a former Soviet client averse to elementary economic development.

    But the act is just that, an act. The Fatah constitution still calls for the “eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence[,]” through an “armed revolution” which is to be the “decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence” — a revolution that “will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated.”

    Consistent with this overarching plan, the U.S.-led “peace process” has been a 14-year sham — hence, the intervening Intifada and related terror gambits. Fatah may occasionally say it will live with Israel, but it has demonstrated, repeatedly, that it will never agree to the commonsense requirements of coexistence: It not only demands land and Jerusalem as its national capital; it refuses to disarm terrorist militias and insists on a refugee “right of return” — an influx of well over a million Palestinians that would effectively destroy the tiny Jewish state from within.

    By our State Department’s lights, this qualifies as “moderation” — perhaps because Hamas’s direct approach is bereft of diplomatic nicety, while the savvier Fatah seems willing to attrit Israel to death. (Such new gloss on the withering Bush Doctrine is also on display in Baghdad, where the administration now regularly consults with Abdul Azziz al-Hakim, or, as the White House describes him, “His Eminence,” leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq — a creation of Iran).
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The main part of Russia is separated from Kaliningrad by land. The main part of the United States is separated from Alaska by land.
    Again, they are separated by land and. West Bank is separated solely by land from Gaza. This means to travel from one to the other you must pass through another country's land. This is not the case with Alaska and Kaliningrad.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Here’s my proposal for solving the Israel-Palestinian issue:

    -Israel completely withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank.
    -The West Bank then becomes the state of Palestine
    -Gaza can choose to become part of Egypt, part of Palestine, or its own state.
    -Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
    -Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
    -Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.

    Will this work?
    If not, why not?

    Hey you can be moderate sometimes.

    Yes I think it could work.

    The condition is that both parts do not over-react at every provocation. During the first months, there could be a rocket fired by an extremist. Israel should kill him but with a sniper gun or something like that. If they answer by bombing Gaza again there will never be peace.

    Oh also, there should be no blockade around Gaza.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?

    Also, what happens to Jerusalem?
    Quite a few actually. Azerbaijan is the best example. map

    That is a good question (the second one, that is)
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    I don't think it will work because it leaves Israel with difficult boundaries to defend and radicals in control of land that it can use to launch rockets at Israel. Your plan can say that any rockets will be an act of war and Israel can respond accordingly, however, the international community will NOT see it that way.

    Also, the Palestinians rejected pretty much this proposal back in the 1990s. Hamas would NEVER accept it, though Abbas may very well. There are radical elements in the Palestinian community who will accept nothing less than the complete extermination of the State of Israel.
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