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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    1948 was a long time ago.
    The right to return would be limited to actual propoerty owners, not their families or heirs, presuming that the structures still exist and are not otherwise occupied.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    It will never end because the more fanatical elements on both sides will never rest until the other side is completely vanquished. There simply is no room for compromise for these elements.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It will never end because the more fanatical elements on both sides will never rest until the other side is completely vanquished. There simply is no room for compromise for these elements.
    So... if the solution as mentioned and amended is applied, what do you suppose Israel will do to violate it?

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You did notice that there were options for Gaza other than becoming part of the state of Palestine, right?


    Lots of countries are land locked...?


    So, you have no real argument as to why the solutuon won't work - at least none that you're willing to admit.
    10-4.

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    Did you discover any countries that is geographically separated from itself by another?
    How typical of you Goobieman. My argument is there, you just chose not to read and address it. Instead you'd rather be an ass.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    1948 was a long time ago.
    The right to return would be limited to actual propoerty owners, not their families or heirs, presuming that the structures still exist and are not otherwise occupied.
    I think something along what you said would be fair, IMO. And although 1948 may have been a long time ago, it seems it is still fresh in most Palestinians minds and it was either themselves or their parents or grandparents that were forced from their homes and it makes it much more personal to them. That's why I would think it would take a generation or two to take such an agreement like the one you propose, but I do think it could be possible. It's just how much blood they are all willing to shed to put aside their pride and accept what they have to accept.
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    How typical of you Goobieman. My argument is there, you just chose not to read and address it. Instead you'd rather be an ass.
    Nah -- you're just trying to run away from an argument you know you cannot support.

    Disagree? OK...

    You're arguing that:
    The West Bank is landlocked.
    Lots of countries are. So what?

    That Gaza is seperated by Israel from the West Bank.
    This isnt a unique situation, and there are other options. So what?

    And, I'll ask again:
    Did you or did you not discover any countries that is geographically separated from one of its parts by another country?
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I think something along what you said would be fair, IMO. And although 1948 may have been a long time ago, it seems it is still fresh in most Palestinians minds...
    I'd wager that a large proportion of those Palestinians that remember the events of 1948 are dead.

    That's why I would think it would take a generation or two to take such an agreement like the one you propose, but I do think it could be possible
    10-4. Thanks.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'd wager that a large proportion of those Palestinians that remember the events of 1948 are dead.

    It's funny though how a group of people will take events they were not even around to see or involved in and twist it to suit their own logic, wouldn't you agree?
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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's funny though how a group of people will take events they were not even around to see or involved in and twist it to suit their own logic, wouldn't you agree?
    Happens a lot, it seems.

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    Re: Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

    No it won't work. I see a number of problems with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    -Israel completely withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank.
    -The West Bank then becomes the state of Palestine
    I agree with these so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    -Gaza can choose to become part of Egypt, part of Palestine, or its own state.
    Who is "Gaza"? The illegitimate Hamas regime? Mahmoud Abbas? A referendum of the voters? What if they decide to become part of Egypt, and Egypt doesn't want them? What if Hamas chooses "None of the above"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    -Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
    -Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
    -Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.
    This third bullet point seems to contradict the first two.

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    Will this work?
    If not, why not?
    Not anytime in the near future. I think it's possible for Israel to negotiate a peace settlement with Fatah, Lebanon, and Syria which would result in an independent Palestine in the West Bank. But as long as Hamas remains in control of Gaza (or even as long as Hamas has significant support in Gaza), Gaza will necessarily be excluded from any peace settlement.
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