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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

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    Not all activist action is extreme, but it seems to be a majority of the loudest ones.

    I fully believe that a group can be both, but find many activists groups are loud because they are ignored, and typically, the loudest ones should be.

    Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe in the rights of advocates and activists to spread their messages, however many of the groups don't use credible tactics, which is where the problem lies, they don't encourage disagreement or forward thought, while I believe that some advocation and activist groups are honest and have integrity, I don't feel that we should allow people access to young minds on our own dollars, unless, of course, there is a counterbalance such as a debate(I think that was metioned earlier). The goal should be to enrich, not shape minds.
    You're focusing on activism in the context of a controversial issue. In this area I agree that either both sides should be honestly represented or neither.

    There is also activism in the context of a non-debatable issue, such as DUI. It is bad no matter how you look at it. The sister of a DUI victim came to my high school with a moving speech as a part of M.A.D.D. This had an immense and undeniably positive impact on the students of my high school.

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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post

    You're focusing on activism in the context of a controversial issue. In this area I agree that either both sides should be honestly represented or neither.
    Agreed.
    There is also activism in the context of a non-debatable issue, such as DUI. It is bad no matter how you look at it. The sister of a DUI victim came to my high school with a moving speech as a part of M.A.D.D. This had an immense and undeniably positive impact on the students of my high school.
    D.U.I. is a bad thing, but there are degrees of effects on drivers, which is why I think officers should have discretion, I also wouldn't begrudge a zero tolerance officer, but think it should be their call. M.A.D.D. used to have my respect, but they take things a little too far, I'm not going to insult them though as they have a reason and commonality for joining, and that unfortunately is the loss of a child because someone had too many, I don't believe in adding insult to injury, the advocacy that M.A.D.D and S.A.D.D. groups are involved in is inarguable beneficial, and if it saves even one life it is a great thing, I only wish they would leave it at that, or otherwise leave D.U.I. trials to the victims and their families and maybe not get involved at that level.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 01-07-09 at 08:58 PM.
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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    No.

    School is for education, not distraction.

    Reading, math and arithmetic etc. I can teach my child about the rest. No need for social mechanic's in school, but thank you.

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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No.

    School is for education, not distraction.

    Reading, math and arithmetic etc. I can teach my child about the rest. No need for social mechanic's in school, but thank you.
    That's pretty much where I see it, the only things I'm okay with are field trips, career type stuff like having working parents/community members share their occupations, CPR class, Heimlich manuever/other emergency management, home safety classes, etc. taught.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's pretty much where I see it, the only things I'm okay with are field trips, career type stuff like having working parents/community members share their occupations, CPR class, Heimlich manuever/other emergency management, home safety classes, etc. taught.
    Agreed. I was trying with the "etc" to avoid details as people like yourself are smart enough to understand.

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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Reading, math and arithmetic etc. I can teach my child about the rest. No need for social mechanic's in school, but thank you.
    Selling yourself short if you don't think you can teach your child those things as well.

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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Selling yourself short if you don't think you can teach your child those things as well.
    I could have this is true. I paid for my daughter to go to a private Catholic school. I wanted her to have socialization skills (no offense to home schooling as it works as well) above and beyond just my wife and I.

    I am now the proud father of a Bradly University BA in environmental engineering working in Orlando as an engineer.

    No excuse for letting the public schools teach her crud that was my job to teach.
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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the military and military recruiters are allowed into the school, then yes the other side should be allowed in too.
    Anti-Military douches are activist,not the other side. The other side would be other companies competing for potential employees. Anti-military douches under the guises of peace activist are only there to spread some anti-military BS and propaganda.
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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anti-Military douches are activist,not the other side. The other side would be other companies competing for potential employees. Anti-military douches under the guises of peace activist are only there to spread some anti-military BS and propaganda.
    Ah I do love a good rant now and then.

    There are shades of anti-military opinion as there are shades of pro-military opinion. Personally there are shades of pacifism that I don't much care for but I don't much like those who love the military and militarism either. Militarism has rarely been a value that has been good for liberty in history.

    I don't know about activists but I'd certainly like to see a measured distrust of militarism in my children and English society at large.
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    Re: Should anti-military activist (let alone any activist) be allowed access to schoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't know about activists but I'd certainly like to see a measured distrust of militarism in my children and English society at large.
    I would say the best situation is somewhere in between, that is, only using force honorably and when necessary, extreme pacifism, while admittedly admirable, can be dangerous in the face of the truly vicious, however, as you have described, too extreme on the militaristic side and we have totalitarianism, expansionism, and imperialism, which are all known freedom killers.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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