Because I hear horror stories about addiction to them
Because I know people personally who have suffered from addiction.
Because I am perfectly happy and serene without them (If it ain't broke...)
Because the consequences of their being illegal make life miserable for addicts
Simply because they are illegal
Other (specify in the thread if you would like)
It doesn't break it down further, and I'm not sure I'd trust any information on this subject that didn't come from a gov.org site.
There might, of course, be other federal agencies that keep track of such things, which might break it down further.
You could search around.
Have you ever tried to watch a movie with a crack whore?
You come home after a hard days work, sit back in your easy chair, put on a good flick, start to relax and get into the movie, when, out of the corner of your eye, is this constant, perpetual, movement. Tweaking. If she was a guy, she'd be polishing jewelry she got trashin', with a Dremel. But since she isn't, with no day job to give her reason to sleep at night, she just picks at the carpet in search of lost morsels. See's something, hits it with the lighter, "oh, that's not one", and goes back to scanning, picking, and doing everything but watching the god-damn movie!
They do not have the exact same symptoms at all. You are giving an opinion that is not substantiated by fact. TYhey OCCASIONALLY have the same symptoms, but OFTEN they DON'T.You again seem to be mistaking "often" for never. I said I think they are the same, and they are. They have exactly the same synptoms for some.
If one ALWAYS has physical symptoms, and the other OFTEN doesn't, the comparison should be the AVERAGE case, not the Extremes.I already stated it is different for different people. You also seem to be ignoring that.
Cocaine: Withdrawal | Drug Abuse and Effects SummaryNo you posted two from the same source.
Symptoms of Cocaine withdrawal - WrongDiagnosis.com
They also include vomiting and other "physical" symptoms.
"Because of the lack of physical withdrawal symptoms, both medical professionals and the public long believed that cocaine was not an addicting drug. The cocaine epidemic of the 1980s led to greater concern about how cocaine affects users. Researchers studied the drug to determine whether cocaine use leads to dependence and withdrawal."
Cocaine withdrawal and crack addiction withdrawal symptoms
"Cocaine withdrawal is not as physically evident as withdrawal from other highly addictive drugs: there are often no visible physical symptoms like the vomiting and shaking that accompanies heroin withdrawal or the seizures and delusions that can follow alcohol withdrawal"
"Cocaine withdrawal often has no visible physical symptoms such as the vomiting and shaking that one sees during the withdrawal from heroin or alcohol."
Cocaine Withdrawal Symptoms Less Daunting Than Previously Thought
"Withdrawal from cocaine is no picnic, but a study by a researcher at the University at Buffalo has shown that it may not involve the wrenching ups and downs and intense cravings that specialists in the field have considered the norm."
That last one was tossed in to give scientific evidence of my claims that Heroin withdrawal is worse.
Can you find ANYTHING at all that claims that it is COMMON for cocaine withdrawal to be similar to heroin withdrawal?
Would you like more sources? I can do this all day.
I have already pointed out with the data you are indeed wrong.
No, you haven't. You have shown that there are SOME symptoms that OCCASIONALLY happen that are similar, but you have not shown that the two withdrawals are similar ON AVERAGE. You are comapring the extreme case of cocaine withdrawal to the COMMON case of heroin withdrawal. That is intellectually dishonest. Compare the cases that OFTEN happen in each withdrawal to each other and you will be on the right track.
I never said that cocaine withdrawal couldn't be just as bad for one individual than heroin withdrawal is for another individual. I used the word "Typically" when I said it typically doesn't have physical symptoms. It OFTEN doesn't have any physical symptoms.
What you injest is different. This is BECAUSE of the way you take it. Just as Chewing Tobacco and Smoking toibacco are different drugs in teh end because they have different effects. Cigarrettes are way way worse for a person.You would have known the difference between the two is only in the way you take it.
The DRUG is what is injested, not what remains outside of the body. If a person crushes up a crack rock and snorts it, they are doing cocaine. If they smoke it, they are doing crack.Now you are just ignoring what I said.
Nice link by the way. "Cookie absent."
Methylecgonidine is produced during the actual heating process. If you were to crush the rock and snort it, no Methylecgonidine could be found for drug testing. The high would take a hell of a lot longer to hit, but it would.
Just as with ALL chemical reactions, chemicals are produces. Just as smoking tobacco is injecting a different drug as chewing it is. What is injested is the issue, not what is purchased.
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Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
Blackdog, Disregard the snippyness in my comments. It's a serious debate and some of what I'm adding is superfluous and unneccesarry.
Let me clarify my point. I'm talking about the actual drug as it is injested beign different, not the effects. My reasons for saying crack is worse than cocaine, is like how I would say cigarettes are typically way way worse than chewing tobacco.
They are chemically the same, or quite simmilar, prior to ingestion, but during they are chemically different at the point of ingestion. They do have identical effects on the brain, but the extra chemicals in the crack smoke make it more dangerous.
When I say they are chemically different, I'm referring to the differences in the smoke and the powder, not the rock and the powder. That is the basis of my comparison.
I can see your point regarding the actual rock and the powder, they are for all intents and puproses, the same.
I did a poor job explaining my point, and for that I apologize.
To calrify further, the "drug" part of a cigarette, IMO, is not the raw tobacco itself, but the smoke that is ingested. I can see how my definition could be confusing, becaus eI never clarified that the actual product ingested is my definition of the drug.
As far as Cocaine withdrawal vs. Heroin withdrawal, I'm not saying that in some instances, cocaine withdrawal cannot be just as bad, I was speaking about the average cocaine withdrawal vs. the average heroin withdrawal.
If one compares the extreme cases, they are indeed similar. If one compares the average case, they are not very similar.
I would say cocaine withdrawal CAN BE just as bad as heroin withdrawal, but typically, heroin withdrawal is far worse.
Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
"The frightening truth is that the drug is more addictive than heroin and produces a shorter high which means users are quickly back out on the streets desperately trying to fund their next hit." - A drug that's more addictive than heroin | Evening Chronicle (Newcastle, England) | Find Articles at BNET
"During the late phase of withdrawal (>3 weeks), reinstatement of cocaine seeking by quinpirole was still apparent, but less robust. In heroin-trained rats, increases of responding were no longer observed." - Relapse to Cocaine- and Heroin-Seeking Behavior Mediated by Dopamine D2 Receptors Is Time-Dependent and Associated with Behavioral Sensitization
The amount of nicotine absorbed from chewing tobacco is 3 to 4 times the amount delivered by a cigarette. Chewing tobacco users increase their risk for cancer of the oral cavity. Oral cancer can include cancer of the lip, tongue, cheeks, gums, and the floor and roof of the mouth. People who use "chew" for a long time have a much greater risk for cancer of the cheek and gum than people who do not use chewing tobacco.
They are both just as dangerous.
"Researchers found that compared with cigarette smokers, adults who used chewing tobacco appeared to have greater exposure to a substance called NNK, one of the prime carcinogens in tobacco. In laboratory animals, NNK has been found to cause cancer of the lung, pancreas, liver and nasal mucosa." - Study shows chewing tobacco worse than smoking | HEALTH
The study is from 2007.
I am not talking about snorting it. I have been from the beginning comparing it with smoking and injecting.
Dont we all just agree that crack is worse than cocaine? Thats the important question here, not the chemical and such discussion and technicalities.
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