View Poll Results: Why have you decided not to use illegal drugs?

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  • Because I hear horror stories about addiction to them

    15 25.86%
  • Because I know people personally who have suffered from addiction.

    17 29.31%
  • Because I am perfectly happy and serene without them (If it ain't broke...)

    31 53.45%
  • Because the consequences of their being illegal make life miserable for addicts

    12 20.69%
  • Simply because they are illegal

    11 18.97%
  • Other (specify in the thread if you would like)

    20 34.48%
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Thread: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No. First of all the government does not have rights, only individuals do, second, the government does not have the authority to criminalize the distribution of cocaine on the basis that its consumption may prove hazardous to a user. The government has a legitimate interest in regulating (not criminalizing) its production and distribution but only insofar as it endeavors to assure quality and transparency.

    Companies would be held to the same standards of quality and transparency as any other manufacturer of goods and services. Warning labels, quality control, health standards, etc.
    I think cigarettes and alcohol should be more strictly regulated, and I think the regulations for Marijuana, hashish, opium, coca leaves, cocaine and so on.. I believe it would be best if all these drugs fell under some kind of separate liberal prescription drug law.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No. First of all the government does not have rights, only individuals do, second, the government does not have the authority to criminalize the distribution of cocaine on the basis that its consumption may prove hazardous to a user. The government has a legitimate interest in regulating (not criminalizing) its production and distribution but only insofar as it endeavors to assure quality and transparency.

    Companies would be held to the same standards of quality and transparency as any other manufacturer of goods and services. Warning labels, quality control, health standards, etc.
    I thought the government prohibited the production and sale of faulty products all the time in the interest of the consumer. Given there has been little medical study on the effects of illegal drugs compared with other consumed products, let me propose a couple hypothetical situations.

    1. The FDA thoroghly tests Cocaine and deems it has similar risks/effects to Alcohol and Cigarettes, thus placing similar regulations on it.

    2. The FDA thoroughly tests Cocaine and deems it significantly more risky and even dangerous to the consumer. Do they not then have the authority to criminalize the production for distribution and distribution of it?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    I thought the government prohibited the production and sale of faulty products all the time in the interest of the consumer.
    Prohibiting the production and distribution of a faulty product does not entail the outright prohibition of the product itself. If a company produces tires that do not accomplish what they are intended to do the government may issue a moritoriam on that specific model but this does not mean they can ban tires outright.

    Moreover, faulty implies a lack of transparency and as we have already discussed the government retains a legitimate interest in establishing transparency in the distribution of a product. So, if a certain cocaine distributor were to claim, "Our product will cure cancer!" then the government, in the interest of transparency, could compel them to cease distribution until they rectified their erroneous advertisement.

    Given there has been little medical study on the effects of illegal drugs compared with other consumed products, let me propose a couple hypothetical situations.
    Why do you think we know more about the health effects of alcohol and cigarettes (legal) than we do about crack and heroin (illegal)? Could it be because legal substances are more thoroughly regulated and studied than illegal ones?

    1. The FDA thoroughly tests Cocaine and deems it has similar risks/effects to Alcohol and Cigarettes, thus placing similar regulations on it.
    Sounds perfectly reasonable.

    2. The FDA thoroughly tests Cocaine and deems it significantly more risky and even dangerous to the consumer. Do they not then have the authority to criminalize the production for distribution and distribution of it?
    No. They only have the authority to regulate it. If cocaine were deemed significantly more risky than tobacco or alcohol the only thing the government would need to do is make consumers aware of that fact.

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them eith drugs (either illegal or legal).

    I don't do illegal drugs. I also don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. (No, I am NOT Baptist)
    You are missing out on unique experiences. My life isn't inadequate. I used to do drugs (damn job) as a way to have fun. No different than sky diving, vacationing, watching a movie, wii bowling, or enjoying the company of friends. The difference is that when I'm high the simplest things are hysterical and entertaining.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    I knew I eventually wanted to work for the government and I wanted to be able to answer my background check questions honestly
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I knew I eventually wanted to work for the government and I wanted to be able to answer my background check questions honestly
    Finally, someone with a valid reason not to do drugs. I wanted to be in law enforcement, but I am an extremely open and honest person.

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    "Yes. Cannabis, Psilocybin and LSD. Oh, and I also consumed alcohol while under the age of 21."

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    I think, in retrospect, as best I can recollect, the main reason I liked drugs was the sense of communion it gave me with others.
    When I got high with somebody, I felt like I could understand them and communicate with them and sort of be inside their head to an extent that had never been possible for me without drugs.
    I was not aware of feeling particularly lonely before, but once I started doing drugs, I felt like I'd discovered a kind of new realm of closeness and camradery with others, unlike anything I'd experienced before.

    I later discovered this was only an illusion, though.
    In actual fact, my interactions while high were banal, and the profound bond I sometimes felt with others was one-sided, something I was merely projecting onto those around me.
    I wanted to have meaningful relationships with others, and I believed, for awhile, that drugs gave me the ability to do that.

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I was reading another thread where someone was claiming that drug use would increase dramatically if they were made legal. I wanted to get a handle on whether people commonly even consider the legal issue at all.

    I personally certainly never considered it when evaluating whether to start to use illegal drugs. Or, at least, it was only a fleeting consideration for me... I just kind of felt like no one had the right to tell me what to do. However, I did consider it when I decided to stop, because I saw that the fact that they were illegal was doing terrible things to the lives of the people who were sinking faster than I was.

    Perhaps I was saved by their being illegal, but I am wondering how common this is.
    Never got into illegal drugs cause I never made enough money to get into this sort of expensive endeavor and then get hooked, and I had no money as it was. I was always very practical, or at least somewhat practical when it came to the expense of things. The legality also came into play because I didn't want to go to jail. I figured booze was enough, but I did drink before I was of legal age. Started drinking regularly at age 16.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    OMG, for the fifth time. We are talking about powder cocaine(regular cocaine), not crack cocaine, which is something completely different.
    I have used both. I injected cocaine and smoked crack. The high is EXACTLY the same. They both work EXACTLY the same way. The only real difference is shooting it up hits you much harder initially than smoking. Smoking is way easier with a slightly longer duration of the high.

    I have also took cocaine and made it into crack. The only thing you mix into the cocaine is a little baking soda.

    They are the same drug made into a different form for use.

    PS The only reason people think they are different is because of people who snort the crap. Yes in that case it hits you much slower and lasts a hell of a long time. It is still the same damn drug.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Crack and cocaine are two different drugs. Crack is way worse than cocaine. I said cocaine and not crack for a reason.
    No it is not. If you main line regular powder cocaine the high and addiction is exactly the same. The only difference is times and the initial hit.

    You have no clue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Way worse than crack withdrawal. (I've seen that too). Plus cocaine is not the same as crack. It's a derivitave of cocaine, but it is not the same.
    They are very similar and affect different people differently. Your statement is based on opinion and completely ignores the evidence I posted.

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