View Poll Results: Why have you decided not to use illegal drugs?

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  • Because I hear horror stories about addiction to them

    15 25.86%
  • Because I know people personally who have suffered from addiction.

    17 29.31%
  • Because I am perfectly happy and serene without them (If it ain't broke...)

    31 53.45%
  • Because the consequences of their being illegal make life miserable for addicts

    12 20.69%
  • Simply because they are illegal

    11 18.97%
  • Other (specify in the thread if you would like)

    20 34.48%
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Thread: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Crack and cocaine are two different drugs. Crack is way worse than cocaine. I said cocaine and not crack for a reason.
    They're two different forms of the same drug.
    I've tried crack a few times; I haven't experienced it as being "way worse".
    It's similar to the high one gets from injecting coke, but it wears off almost immediately; maybe 30 seconds or a minute (maybe longer; my recollection is that it's a hella short high), followed by a crash.

    If it's "way worse", that's merely because it's so cheap that it's easy to get addicted.

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them eith drugs (either illegal or legal).

    I don't do illegal drugs. I also don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. (No, I am NOT Baptist)
    Thats the only way to go! Not to use legal nor illegal drugs..

    Best drug I know is to work out my body and mind with exercise.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    The way I see it, with legality comes commercialization. Will advertising be banned?
    It is with cigarettes for the most part.

    Who will produce it?
    Would it matter? If the production is regulated and paid for by the taxes on the final product, who really cares?

    The fact is it will quickly become a lucrative practice. Do you think capitalism and commercialization will not come into play if it is legalized?
    Capitalism is already a factor. It's just currently unregulated. The people who make the money are organized crime and gangs.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    They're two different forms of the same drug.
    I've tried crack a few times; I haven't experienced it as being "way worse".
    It's similar to the high one gets from injecting coke, but it wears off almost immediately; maybe 30 seconds or a minute (maybe longer; my recollection is that it's a hella short high), followed by a crash.

    If it's "way worse", that's merely because it's so cheap that it's easy to get addicted.
    The difference between cocaine and crack is like the difference between coca leaves and cocaine.
    I have not tried any btw.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    So its not the drug that's addicting, its the effect the drug has on the user? That's fine if you wish to clarify. To be honest crime, robbery, and murder are not my reasoning for banning drugs such as Cocaine. It is the adverse effects they have on a person's role in society. Most people who do hard drugs become a burden on society and (i believe) waste their personal worth away on getting "high".
    Individuals are not beholden to some arbitrary conception of a social role. So long as I take responsibility for my actions and refrain from infringing on your rights I am to be left alone. If a person chooses to destroy their life by using a drug it is not for you or anyone else to forcibly compel them to stop, however, if their usage impugns the rights of others then the State has a legitimate interest in managing their behavior.

    Do you also believe the government has no obligation to protect the consumer from fraud and producer negligence.
    No. The government has the authority to regulate commerce per the Commerce Clause. However, this does not entail the criminalization of commerce on the basis that it is unwholesome. The only type of commerce the government has the authority to criminalize is any commerce that results in the inherent violation of others' rights; for instance, contract killing.

    Would you legalize Cocaine and then have the government oversee its purity to make sure you don't die from a bad dose?
    Yes. The government has a legitimate interest in overseeing the quality of a product both in terms of manufacturing and distribution.

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them eith drugs (either illegal or legal).

    I don't do illegal drugs. I also don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. (No, I am NOT Baptist)
    What makes you think people do those things because they "have to enhance them with drugs"? You could say the same about any pleasure that a person takes in life.

    "I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them by debating politics online"

    "I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them by traveling around the world"

    "I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them by building relationships and making friends"

    "I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them by playing video games"
    Do some people take drugs as an escape? Of course, just like some people overeat, play video games, have affairs, or debate online as escapes from their day to day life.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    They're two different forms of the same drug.
    I've tried crack a few times; I haven't experienced it as being "way worse".
    It's similar to the high one gets from injecting coke, but it wears off almost immediately; maybe 30 seconds or a minute (maybe longer; my recollection is that it's a hella short high), followed by a crash.

    If it's "way worse", that's merely because it's so cheap that it's easy to get addicted.
    It's also impure so that the high is shorter and cut with some funky stuff sometimes.

    It's not exactly the same drug, though. The chemical properties are a bit different.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats the only way to go! Not to use legal nor illegal drugs..

    Best drug I know is to work out my body and mind with exercise.
    That is what I do. I do a short workout with dumbells in the morning, I commute to work on the bike, run about 20 miles a week and am training for marathons and triathlons. That gives me all the "high" I need.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It is with cigarettes for the most part.

    Would it matter? If the production is regulated and paid for by the taxes on the final product, who really cares?

    Capitalism is already a factor. It's just currently unregulated. The people who make the money are organized crime and gangs.
    I'm confused of what you mean by "regulating" it. Limiting production? Distribution? Cost? Content? When I hear the argument to legalize it I see currently underground operations going public and modernizing their methods to produce as much product as possible. To the point where Cocaine is as cheap as cigarettes. Do you have another vision in mind?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Individuals are not beholden to some arbitrary conception of a social role. So long as I take responsibility for my actions and refrain from infringing on your rights I am to be left alone. If a person chooses to destroy their life by using a drug it is not for you or anyone else to forcibly compel them to stop, however, if their usage impugns the rights of others then the State has a legitimate interest in managing their behavior.

    No. The government has the authority to regulate commerce per the Commerce Clause. However, this does not entail the criminalization of commerce on the basis that it is unwholesome. The only type of commerce the government has the authority to criminalize is any commerce that results in the inherent violation of others' rights; for instance, contract killing.

    Yes. The government has a legitimate interest in overseeing the quality of a product both in terms of manufacturing and distribution.
    So the government has a right to criminalize the distribution of Cocaine (to protect consumers from its adverse effects) but not the right prevent you from producing and consuming it for personal purposes. I'd be fine with that.

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